Anna Teresa
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When Jack and Rose go down to having dinner for the grandstaircase, the boy who this behind of Rose is Jack Thayer and to his side this his father
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Vitezslav Ivicic
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Do you mean these two? See the picture.
George L. Lorton
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Hmm Maybe so Maybe no. Could be though. I bet Cameron told them to think of themselves as John B. Thayer Sr. and John (Jack) Thayer Jr.
David F. Smith
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But would Jack (junior) have worn a Tux to dinner? He strikes me more as wearing a suit and tie.
Yes, the fictional Jack Dawson did wear a Tux, but that was for effect. To make him seem elite.
Most of the gentlemen didn't wear a Tux to dinner. Look at Andrews and Ismay.
Yes, the fictional Jack Dawson did wear a Tux, but that was for effect. To make him seem elite.
Most of the gentlemen didn't wear a Tux to dinner. Look at Andrews and Ismay.
George L. Lorton
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Re:But would Jack (junior) have worn a Tux to dinner?<< I wonder if his father would have even wore a tux or dressed more formally with tails and gloves. Maybe as they were getting ready to film the scene Cameron saw two extras and said to them both, "alright both of you are John B.Thayer and his son Jack. I want you both behind Jack and Rose as they enter the Main Dinning Room. I wonder if the real Jack Thayer even ate with his parents or had dinner with friends in the A la Carte Restaurant or Cafe Parisien. The only time I came across him eating with his folks is when he met Milton C. Long. I might be wrong on that though.
Vitezslav Ivicic
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Martin Williams
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This is terribly funny, linking back as it does to a speculative discussion Bob Godfrey and I recently shared about the number of first-class men who might have dressed for dinner and whether they wore black-tie or white. I believe our thoughts can be found on the 'Passenger Fashion Gallery' thread. I'm smiling as I type this because I kept Jack Thayer very much in mind during that exchange. He is one first-class passenger I certainly DO imagine in a tuxedo - as a very young man, he would only recently have 'graduated' to adult evening dress from whatever he wore on formal occasions as a child. In my own mind, it follows that he would have worn something quite modish and up-to-date, rather than ultra-formal white-tie and tails.
On the evening of Sunday 14th, Jack Thayer actually dined alone in the main saloon on D-deck - his parents, John and Marian, were guests of Mrs Widener in the a la carte restaurant on B-deck. It was whilst Jack was taking coffee in the reception room after dinner that he was approached by Milton Long, who had also dined alone, and the two men fell into conversation.
On the evening of Sunday 14th, Jack Thayer actually dined alone in the main saloon on D-deck - his parents, John and Marian, were guests of Mrs Widener in the a la carte restaurant on B-deck. It was whilst Jack was taking coffee in the reception room after dinner that he was approached by Milton Long, who had also dined alone, and the two men fell into conversation.
George L. Lorton
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Fancy that, so it was his parents who dined in The A La Carte Restaurant. In the back of my mind I kept thinking that the Thayers had something to do with the restaurant or cafe on board.
>>In my own mind, it follows that he would have worn something quite modish and up-to-date, rather than ultra-formal white-tie and tails.<< Your right Martin he would have just graduated into more adult formal clothing so it's a bet his evening dress was brand spanking new what ever it was.
>>In my own mind, it follows that he would have worn something quite modish and up-to-date, rather than ultra-formal white-tie and tails.<< Your right Martin he would have just graduated into more adult formal clothing so it's a bet his evening dress was brand spanking new what ever it was.
Jason Lesonick
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This might sound a little forward coming from a newbie on this board, and going by the dates it appears that this conversation is over anyway. However, I felt that I should put in my two cents nonetheless. First of all, a "tuxedo" is not the same thing as white tie and tails. Traditionally, a tuxedo is decidedly less formal than tails, and based on my knowledge, tails were still considered in good taste on an ocean liner up through the Great War. Perhaps Jack Thayer, being so young, might have worn a black tie tuxedo to dinner while his father stuck with the traditional tail coat ensemble, but I highly doubt that anyone would have worn a plain old sack suit to dinner that night. I'm sure I don't have to remind anyone that this was an era in which specific times of day called for specific attire, and with ladies being present at dinner, white tie and tails would most certainly have been the norm.
Matthew Chapman
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This topic is old, but I wonder if these two were meant to represent Jack Thayer and Milton Long, in a deleted scene?
Jay Roches
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Where is the deleted scene from? You may well be right.
Jack Thayer appears in, at least, two made-for-TV movies: SOS Titanic (1979), and the 2012 miniseries "Titanic." He's played by Nicholas Young (he is mentioned, but uncredited) in the former and Ryan Hawley in the latter.
About evening dress, referring to that 2008 post: I don't know where Jack Thayer actually took his meals. At dinner on the 14th, his parents dined in the restaurant with the Wideners (including the couple's 27-year-old son, Harry Jr.), the Carters, Archibald Butt, and Captain Smith. That would have warranted evening dress (i.e. white tie, with tails, not a tuxedo); dress codes were relaxed on the first and last days of transatlantic voyages, but a Sunday dinner would have called for the most formal styles. Still, it's difficult even to speculate what Jack would've worn or where he dined. He may have been served in his cabin. The alternative would be to dine in the saloon without his parents.
Jack Thayer appears in, at least, two made-for-TV movies: SOS Titanic (1979), and the 2012 miniseries "Titanic." He's played by Nicholas Young (he is mentioned, but uncredited) in the former and Ryan Hawley in the latter.
About evening dress, referring to that 2008 post: I don't know where Jack Thayer actually took his meals. At dinner on the 14th, his parents dined in the restaurant with the Wideners (including the couple's 27-year-old son, Harry Jr.), the Carters, Archibald Butt, and Captain Smith. That would have warranted evening dress (i.e. white tie, with tails, not a tuxedo); dress codes were relaxed on the first and last days of transatlantic voyages, but a Sunday dinner would have called for the most formal styles. Still, it's difficult even to speculate what Jack would've worn or where he dined. He may have been served in his cabin. The alternative would be to dine in the saloon without his parents.
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Seumas
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Alex Clark
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Much as I was disappointed by this film, I always enjoy those deleted scenes. They add a lot to the story. Although I'm
sure the veracity of many of then are debated amongst the members of this august group. Would the captain’s megaphone be that audible?
sure the veracity of many of then are debated amongst the members of this august group. Would the captain’s megaphone be that audible?
Kevin P Tischer
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sound travels far over water
RmS_TItAnIc
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As far as I know About Jack Thayer and his dad, they didn't go to dinner together on April 13 (when the photo takes place)
