Binoculars recovered in '94

David C:

Actually binoculars were recovered by RMSTI/IFREMER on the '94 Expedition (SEE: Explorers of the Titanic, Lindsy)

Matt Tulloch was so kind to forward a scan of him holding them above a conservatory tray aboard the NADIR.

I don't imagine they had F. Fleet's finger prints on them :-(

Michael Cundiff
NV, USA
 
Would these be David Blair's binoculars? I would be interested in knowing the make/model and how much they could have cost at the time. I have read that high quality optical instruments were relatively very expensive back then.
 
I have an ad for binoculars of the period. Prism binoculars, much like those sold today, cost £7-10 for 6x and £9 for 12x. Night glasses cost £3-15 because they were relatively crude Galilean glasses that only magnified 3x or 4x. The glasses recovered were night glasses. I don't know if they were engraved with the name of the owner, as was common.
 
Vous parlez de celles-ci?, ci-jointes mes photos issues de l’exposition actuelle à Paris.

Les jumelles de vigie enfermées dans leur boîte car ils n’avaient pas la clé ,
sont-elles toujours dans leur boîte fermée sur l’épave?,
Et où se situe exactement cette boîte aux jumelles, dans le nid de pie?
 

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I traduce with google my past words to a better comprehension I hope:
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Are you talking about these?, attached are my photos from the current exhibition in Paris.
The lookout binoculars locked in their box because they did not have the key,
Are they still in their closed box on the wreck?And where exactly is this binocular box located, in the crow's nest?
 
I traduce with google my past words to a better comprehension I hope:
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Are you talking about these?, attached are my photos from the current exhibition in Paris.
The lookout binoculars locked in their box because they did not have the key,
Are they still in their closed box on the wreck?And where exactly is this binocular box located, in the crow's nest?
There's many opinions about the binoculars on Titanic. I've found that the article below is a source of a lot info on the subject. Worth reading if anyone is interested. There was a box for the crows nest lookouts but it wasn't just for binoculars...more of a storage space for anything the lookouts might have. Oh, and welcome aboard. Cheers
 
There's many opinions about the binoculars on Titanic. I've found that the article below is a source of a lot info on the subject. Worth reading if anyone is interested. There was a box for the crows nest lookouts but it wasn't just for binoculars...more of a storage space for anything the lookouts might have. Oh, and welcome aboard. Cheers
Thanks for the answer, It's long to read , I continue to,
and see now there are topics I have to read too,
but I understand one thing now, first by eyes and binoculars after..

For the question of the location on the wreck site,
someone knows if
is there something left of these boxes for binoculars and other?
 
Yes, it is a well written, analytical and unbiased article about a tricky subject about which there have been many disagreements. It sort of highlights the point that stubbornly held views can be wrong and bring misunderstanding.
Yes it's often the case that people get married to an opinion and don't want to look at another take on it. Part of the human condition I believe. But yes I found that to be a good article. Just one of many posted by the many contributors on this site.
 
Yes it's often the case that people get married to an opinion and don't want to look at another take on it. Part of the human condition I believe.
You said it. History is chock full of examples where a handful of "experienced experts" in a field hammered-down their opinions on people's throats only to be proven wrong - sometimes drastically so - down the line. The problem is that there are still many people who are unwilling or unable think beyond certain self-imposed limits even when common sense dictates otherwise.
 
You said it. History is chock full of examples where a handful of "experienced experts" in a field hammered-down their opinions on people's throats only to be proven wrong - sometimes drastically so - down the line. The problem is that there are still many people who are unwilling or unable think beyond certain self-imposed limits even when common sense dictates otherwise.
Sounds a lot like the notion of “settled science”.
 
There's many opinions about the binoculars on Titanic. I've found that the article below is a source of a lot info on the subject. Worth reading if anyone is interested. There was a box for the crows nest lookouts but it wasn't just for binoculars...more of a storage space for anything the lookouts might have. Oh, and welcome aboard. Cheers
The article still has one big mistake, it still misidentifies the key that former second officer David Blair took with him based on a sensationalist choice based on the picture that was used when describing this key. The article mentions the following (I highlighted what's important):
With a further reference to “the key which may have saved the luxury liner,” so ran a story on the website of the London Evening Standard on January 16, 2007, continuing one of the most famous “what if” stories in Titanic history. This oft-repeated tale holds that a pair of binoculars designated for the lookouts’ use had been placed in a cabinet in the officers’ quarters with the key held by David Blair, the former Second Officer who lost his place on the ship in a last-minute shuffle of officers. According to the story, Blair had the key in his pocket, and following his departure no one knew where the binoculars were. For want of a key the ship was lost - or was it? As we will see, there are a number of misconceptions, misunderstandings and blatant inaccuracies surrounding this popular belief, and in reality, Titanic’s fate did not turn on a set of missing binoculars.


The above story most likely has its origins in testimony by lookout George Hogg following the sinking. Hogg testified at the British Inquiry that on the trip from Belfast to Southampton, the lookouts had been loaned by Blair a pair that were marked “SECOND OFFICER, S.S. TITANIC.” Upon Titanic’s arrival at Southampton, Blair had been in the crow’s nest using the binoculars himself. (When docking the ship, each officer had an assigned station, and the crow’s nest position was assigned to the Second Officer.) Hogg was asked:

17501. When you left the ship at Southampton, what did you do with those glasses?
Mr. Blair was in the crow’s-nest and gave me his glasses, and told me to lock them up in his cabin and to return him the keys.
17502. Who returned the keys?
I gave them to a man named Weller, as I was busy on the forecastle head.
17503. As far as you were concerned, the glasses, you were told, were to be locked up in the cabin
of the second officer?
I locked them up.
Much was made of this story in August of 2007, when the auction firm of Henry Aldridge & Son announced that this key would be made available for bid, having come to them from the British and International Sailors Society, to which the key had been left by Blair. (Also auctioned was a postcard written by Blair to his sister expressing his regret at missing Titanic’s sailing.) However, as we shall see, this missing pair of binoculars had nothing to do with the collision with the iceberg. It’s also likely that the missing pair had nothing to do with binoculars not being provided to the lookouts after Southampton.
The source stated that it came from the following source:
4 As a side note, the key that Aldridge & Sons auctioned carried a tag that said "BINOCULAR BOX." Any statement that this was the key used to lock up Blair's set of binoculars is purely speculation as there is no hard evidence to indicate exactly what box this refers to. It is very likely, however, that it was on the Bridge.
The picture refers to the one here:
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However, this isn't the key that was auctioned off, it was this one:
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The key that Blair had with him was of the crows nest telephone box, and not of any locker that had binoculars stored in them
 
The article still has one big mistake, it still misidentifies the key that former second officer David Blair took with him based on a sensationalist choice based on the picture that was used when describing this key.
Knowing your tendency for diligent research Thomas, I am sure that you are right and the article probably does misidentify the key. However, that is not a logical or technical error and so takes nothing away from the unbiased discussion of the issue of binoculars.
 
However, that is not a logical or technical error and so takes nothing away from the unbiased discussion of the issue of binoculars.
It still is a myth and misconception that is often repeated and that to people who don’t know much on the topic frames David Blair. There are countless videos and articles spreading this story.

And you know me, I don't like it when people get blamed for things they didn't do.
 
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