Exhibition in Paris 2023-Reconstruction - Third room class

[Marie L]

About the exhibition which was in Paris
and which is now in Melbourne, I believe:
Is the reconstruction of the third class room based on a known room number,
of which we would know the name of the passenger
and therefore of the violinist in this room?

 

[Bart]

I wouldn´t know exactly whose violin it is, but there were at least three musiciens on board - who I can say by heart - who played the violin: The band leader, Mr Wallace Hartley, Mr Hume and Mr Georges Krins. I'm sure you will find more info on them in ET.

 

[Marie L]

I wouldn´t know exactly whose violin it is, but there were at least three musiciens on board - who I can say by heart - who played the violin: The band leader, Mr Wallace Hartley, Mr Hume and Mr Georges Krins. I'm sure you will find more info on them in ET.

Thanks for answer,
I read their story and continue to do so.
But since it is a third class room I was wondering if we knew names of third class violonists, and even generally of musicians of this class,
just like Eugene Patrick Daly who played bagpipes.

 

[Bart]

Thanks for answer,
I read their story and continue to do so.
But since it is a third class room I was wondering if we knew names of third class violonists, and even generally of musicians of this class,
just like Eugene Patrick Daly who played bagpipes.

Well, I think that there were quite a lot of musicians, especially in the Irish community. As is untill the day of today, a lot of Irish people are very musically and know how to play different instruments and sing and dance very well. I remember that Andrew Keane had a melodion ( easy type of accordeon) with him and I also remember having read that in the rush to get to the lifeboats, somebody accounted that she saw a woman playing the piano in the third class general room. I think there were many talented musicians in third class, but mostly limited to recreational and entertaining purposes. But if I happen to find more info on this topic, I will return to this thread.

 

[Marie L]

I remember that Andrew Keane had a melodion ( easy type of accordeon) with him and I also remember having read that in the rush to get to the lifeboats, somebody accounted that she saw a woman playing the piano in the third class general room.

Interesting!..
So, now we have Eugene Patrick Daly playing bagpipes,
Andrew Keane playing melodion
and a woman at the piano.
With time we maybe will find anothers...

And related to that,( I don't have found yet the topic for it,)
did reconstruction historical groups exist for the Titanic, like it exists for historical periods,?
with specially reconstruction of third class costum, and way of life aboard?
And meeting dates, events perhaps in relation to the places and dates of stopovers/boarding?
Like 3/4 or 10 april for Southampton
10 april for Cherbourg,
and 11 april for Queenstown/ Cobh...?

 

[Bart]

Marjorie Newell practicing at home in Lexington with sister at the piano. The whole family was musical. She lost her practice violin on Titanic and put in a claim. Later she would go on to help found the New Jersey Symphony Orchestra. Photo courtesy of Mary Payne/Marjorie Robb

According to his family, third class passenger Alfonzo Meo-Martinez was a violin maker and had made a special model for a wealthy American client who was so worried that it might be damaged in transit that he had Mr Meo-Martinez bring it over himself on the Titanic. Might have been safer in the mail!

Geoff

Does anyone know if any of of the deck officers played musical instruments? I know Lightoller played the banjo (is it still around?).

I found more musical talented persons in some threads here. Also, Miss Berthe Mayné was a talented singer, she sang in music halls and cabarets in Brussels and Paris, probably also in the Casino municipal de Nice. But I doubt that she would have demonstrated her talents on board in the lush decor of Titanic, as she was travelling 'en cachette' with her Canadian millionaire crush. But I like to think she had a polite conversation about music with Georges Krins.
About your question concerning re-enactment groups, I have no idea if those exists. The idea is nice though.

 

[Marie L]

Geoff Whitfield said:
According to his family, third class passenger Alfonzo Meo-Martinez was a violin maker and had made a special model for a wealthy American client who was so worried that it might be damaged in transit that he had Mr Meo-Martinez bring it over himself on the Titanic. Might have been safer in the mail!

Geoff

So, the violin of the exposition can be a reference of that violin, if it's a particular reference.

Each day I think of it, I take virtuals tickets of third and second class woman first, (later men and at the end first class)
and last days I had the one of Marian Meanwell, a Titanic victim of third class.
On her biography it's told:
She was the daughter of John Henry Ogden (b. 1825), a professor of music, and Ann Armstrong (b. 1825) who had married in Prestwich on 17 September 1849. Little is known about her early life and she appears to have been an only child.
As a child and the only one of a music teacher, we can imagine she knows something of music.

re-enactment groups

So the term in english is re-enactment, I'm please to learn.
I've found a group in facebook these days I wait and see what it proposes...

Searching to create a new topic for the global research of passengers with music interest,
I've found the section
Passengers and crew>Passenger research>General passengers research resources
and there is many topics, mostly for the orchestra, shall we continue there?
with which topic? or shall we create a new one like: All Musicians aboard the ship

And to continue on this topic only if we found violin in third class ?

And for re-enactmt in the section Titanic culture, I must have a look,
or create a topic for that too, to ask, maybe.

The actual list, except the orchestra band is:

Crew:
-Lightoller, banjo

First class:
-Marjorie Newell, violin and piano
-Berthe Mayné, singer

Third class:

-Alfonzo Meo-Martinez, violin maker
-Eugene Patrick Daly, bagpipes
-a woman, piano
-maybe Marian Meanwell,

 

[Bart]

Hi Marie

I agree with your proposal to make another thread for this. Perhaps there is a way to convert this existing thread into the one you proposed or make it a sub-thread to an already existing one.
I also noticed that amongst artefacts from the wreckage are some music instruments, like for instance a clarinet and a piccolo. As for the interest in who played music, it could be a good idea to read the claim list after the disaster, but I'm not sure if that list has been made public or how one can consult it. Anyway, I 'm still on the subject and when I find new info, I'll share it.

 

[Marie L]

Hi Bart,

I also noticed that amongst artefacts from the wreckage are some music instruments, like for instance a clarinet and a piccolo. As for the interest in who played music, it could be a good idea to read the claim list after the disaster, but I'm not sure if that list has been made public or how one can consult it. Anyway, I 'm still on the subject and when I find new info, I'll share it.

For the clarinet I think it's Irwin's one, if my memory is good, and he did'nt take the ship but his trunk/suitcase did.
So we can had him in the list, I'll check if its one or other one.
And for the piccolo do you find which one it is?

And so I've done it, I create a new thread for music,
its link below:

In search of music aboard - All classes

I continue our topic there, ( Exhibition in Paris 2023-Reconstruction - Third room class) at its better place now, to keep talking of music, and let the violin in third class in the other. So, the actual list we've got is : Not boarded: -Howard Irwin, clarinet Crew: -Charles Herbert...

www.encyclopedia-titanica.org

I will do the same to ask for re-enactment later,
and then put the link there too.

 

[Marie L]

In reference to the violin in third class,
we've got at this day,
two references possible:

- Alfonzo Meo-Martinez ( v- bH- #201) (1864-1912) ,
Violin maker

and

- Henry Sutehall (v) (1886-1912)
Violin

 

[Marie L]

And so, one interesting thing is that,
when you read Henry Sutehall biography,

Henry Sutehall : Titanic Victim

Biography of Henry Sutehall : Titanic Victim

www.encyclopedia-titanica.org

you can read:

In mid-1911, they left the United States for Australia. Finding employment in their profession, they remained there for a time. While in Sydney, Henry met a young lady with whom he fell deeply in love. Research has not yet uncovered her name, but Henry's descendants tell the story of his young lady in Australia, to whom he had become engaged. His intentions, according to letters home, were to return eventually to Australia and marry this woman.

And the exhibition that was in Paris, is now in Melbourne, Australia,
with apparently the same re-enactment of the third class room with the violin box.
See in the photos below.

Titanic: The Artefact Exhibition

On sale now, this Melbourne Museum exclusive offers a unique chance to explore human stories told through 200+ artefacts recovered from the legendary Titanic.

museumsvictoria.com.au