David Smith
Member
Did Lucile Polk Carter ever write a book about her trip on Titanic?
Lucile Polk Carter
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Stephen Trois
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David here I am again,
to the best of my Knowledge LPC did not write a book. Hoever she remarried a mr Brooke
in a place called birdsbroro.
this is only ten miles from the church where
mrs Payton attends.
Mrs Brooks is burried in the same cemitary as my wife's family.
SET
to the best of my Knowledge LPC did not write a book. Hoever she remarried a mr Brooke
in a place called birdsbroro.
this is only ten miles from the church where
mrs Payton attends.
Mrs Brooks is burried in the same cemitary as my wife's family.
SET
Shelley Dziedzic
Member
The first photo is the Carter summer home in Newport, the second, the cottage Lucile rented after the divorce. Five Titanic families rented or owned on this glorious street. These houses are really very large in actuality although in the photos, it's hard to tell. Both will be stops on the Gilded Age Tour on April 26th.
Brian Ahern
Member
Someone on this board (and I can't remember where)once said something about a Newport indiscretion involving Madeleine Astor's 3rd husband Enzo Fiermonte and Lucile Carter, the daughter.
Can anyone fill in the blanks here? It might have been research for a book someone was doing, in which case they might not want to share...
-Brian Ahern
Can anyone fill in the blanks here? It might have been research for a book someone was doing, in which case they might not want to share...
-Brian Ahern
Brian Ahern
Member
I've tracked down where I got that tidbit.
Shelley - in checking through the board archives I saw that in a November, 2000 post, you mentioned hearing of "Fiermonte's roving eye with Miss Lucile Carter" while on a sort of Newport Titanic tour.
Do you remember the details here and, if so, would you mind elaborating?
Regards,
Brian
Shelley - in checking through the board archives I saw that in a November, 2000 post, you mentioned hearing of "Fiermonte's roving eye with Miss Lucile Carter" while on a sort of Newport Titanic tour.
Do you remember the details here and, if so, would you mind elaborating?
Regards,
Brian
Shelley Dziedzic
Member
We have heard- via Lucile Carter's daughter by her second marriage- Betty Blake- that Fiermonte had a roving eye, and while at a Newport summer festival, flirted madly with Miss Lucile when he was all but betrothed to poor Madeleine. Madeleine gave a posh party at this Casino restaurant - hoping society would adopt him with open arms- alas- it was not to be- he had not quite the proper credentials! This is the restaurant- the Gilded Age Convention will lunch here on April 26th- I hope we are accepted by proper Newport Society!
Dr. Douglas B. Willingham
Member
Shelley,
The Newport-Titanic connections go on and on, don't they? I can't wait to absorb it all.
Thanks for posting the great images.
Doug
The Newport-Titanic connections go on and on, don't they? I can't wait to absorb it all.
Thanks for posting the great images.
Doug
Shelley Dziedzic
Member
Actually Betty Blake said he "made eyes" at all the girls- even her!Madeleine was not lucky in love to be sure.
Brian Ahern
Member
Thanks for posting that, Shelley. I didn't know Lucile Carter had any children by her second marriage.
-Regards,
Brian
-Regards,
Brian
Shelley Dziedzic
Member
Lucile and Mr. Brooke produced only Betty Brooke McLean Blake- who is, incidentally going to be attending the Newport Gilded Age convention along with Mary Carter- the widow of William Carter's grandson. Maybe at last we can find out about that Renault! Betty's former mother-in-law, Evelyn Walsh McLean was a client of Lady Duff Gordon, and owner of the infamous Hope Diamond- another fascinating family. I visited Cavecliff yesterday, the house in Newport where Lucile and Brooke lived when Betty was a small child. Lucile rented so many properties in Newport, she must have been a realtor's delight!
Brian Ahern
Member
It's amazing. Every facet of high society over the last hundred years has a Titanic connection! Now Evelyn Walsh McLean turns out to be in the mix too.
It never ends.
It never ends.
Randy Bryan Bigham
Member
If I recall rightly, even Mrs. McLean's pekes wore special "dog-clothes" by Lady Duff Gordon. There is also the rumor that the Hope Diamond was on board Titanic - supposedly in Lady Duff Gordon's possession. The story is that she was bringing it back personally to McLean from Paris where the millionairess had had the necklace reset. It seems far-fetched, though it's known that "Lucile" did survive with a small satchel of jewelry.
Dr. Douglas B. Willingham
Member
Another Trip to New York
Washington, D.C.
February 13, 1912
Dear Clara:
We got back from New York and New Jersey this morning. It was a hectic day altogether...
We "did" the Oranges and met hosts of people, all of whom I hear are for Roosevelt in that section of Essex County. But we got away and reached the Waldorf by six, and at seven we were at the banquet given by the Republican Club in honor of Lincoln. There was nothing new; the same old pictures and lists of committees; the menu in French; and the hall decorated with gaudy bunting, and everybody cheering just as they would at a banquet given to Barnum were he alive...
Mrs. McLean did not wear the Hope diamond last evening at dinner, much to the disappointment of everyone there. Even the President expressed the desire to see it. She sat next to me at the table and gave much of the history of the diamond. She says the grandparents have made them promise never to allow the diamond to go near the grandchild. She told me that the jewel had cost Ned just two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and when they offered to give it back to Cartier for something of much less value, the jeweler refused to receive it, for he feared it would bring to his firm some fearful catastrophe. He frankly told Ned and his wife that there were no two such fools as they to be found in the world, who would not only possess the jewel but who would actually pay for its possession. It was this jest which infuriated the McLeans and caused them to try to force it back on Cartier. It will be interesting to follow its history from now on. If any unhappiness should ensue in the McLean family, it could hardly be charged to the Hope diamond, though of course it would be. Evelyn told me last night she could stand any disaster except being murdered, as some of its former possessers had been, or having the child struck by lightning.
Good-bye,
Archie
Washington, D.C.
February 13, 1912
Dear Clara:
We got back from New York and New Jersey this morning. It was a hectic day altogether...
We "did" the Oranges and met hosts of people, all of whom I hear are for Roosevelt in that section of Essex County. But we got away and reached the Waldorf by six, and at seven we were at the banquet given by the Republican Club in honor of Lincoln. There was nothing new; the same old pictures and lists of committees; the menu in French; and the hall decorated with gaudy bunting, and everybody cheering just as they would at a banquet given to Barnum were he alive...
Mrs. McLean did not wear the Hope diamond last evening at dinner, much to the disappointment of everyone there. Even the President expressed the desire to see it. She sat next to me at the table and gave much of the history of the diamond. She says the grandparents have made them promise never to allow the diamond to go near the grandchild. She told me that the jewel had cost Ned just two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and when they offered to give it back to Cartier for something of much less value, the jeweler refused to receive it, for he feared it would bring to his firm some fearful catastrophe. He frankly told Ned and his wife that there were no two such fools as they to be found in the world, who would not only possess the jewel but who would actually pay for its possession. It was this jest which infuriated the McLeans and caused them to try to force it back on Cartier. It will be interesting to follow its history from now on. If any unhappiness should ensue in the McLean family, it could hardly be charged to the Hope diamond, though of course it would be. Evelyn told me last night she could stand any disaster except being murdered, as some of its former possessers had been, or having the child struck by lightning.
Good-bye,
Archie
Randy Bryan Bigham
Member
Thanks for that Doug - fascinating stuff as usual. Looking forward to a bit of chat later!
Joshua Doyle Tift
Guest
Does anyone know of any claim that Mrs. Carter filed for her other lost jewelry. What jewelry did she save? I find it most interesting. Please help. Thanks JT.
