Burel Jean Pierre said: Think of the captain as a taxi driver ... Mmmm...Maybe as a human being too .
In a certain sense Captains (although human) can't afford to think like one. You have to be able to make decisions in a split second that will effect those in your charge. Like naval officers they have to be prepared to sacrifice one life to save the many, something I have had to do. Command isn't a 9 to 5 job, it is a 24 hour, 7 day a week job. You are required to be on call, you can go days without sleep or little to eat, but you are expected to remain vigilant, competent, and most importantly in command.
Burel Jean Pierre said: I wonder captain , just what kind of nonsense you'd be prepared to take from a local doctor you called for help.
I think you are asking the wrong captain about that. I personaly don't commonly listen to doctors advice (unless of course my wife is with me then I have no choice). Hence I don't call of doctors help. I am a little confused as to how this came into the discussion. Could you help me out??
Burel Jean Pierre said: Just what would be your reaction if the man decided to stay in bed ? You'd probably punch his nose in the morning , and try and get some help from someone else.
To me this is hindsight. Lord didn't know what was going on that night because in my opinion he didn't receive the proper information in a manner which made the situation clear. This being said IT DOES NOT EXCUSE CAPTAIN LORD FOR NOT CHECKING ON THE SITUATION FOR HIMSELF, NOR DOES IT EXCUSE MR. STONE FROM BEING MORE PROACTIVE. I suggest you check the Titanic Book thread where this conversation is currently going on. To answer your question, from a investigation point of view the questions would be:
1. Why didn't you go the bridge to check on the situation for yourself.
2. (To Mr. Stone) Why didn't you wake your captain and ensure that he made it to the bridge if you thought that this was something important.
3. (To Mr. Stone) Why did you wait for 30 to 45 minutes (I think don't quote me on the time frame) to wake your captain.
4. (To Captain Lord) Why didn't you go and wake the wireless to ensure the situation was clear.
SPECIAL NOTE:
Note that I didn't ask him why he didn't get back underway and what his conditions were. Only he could have made the decsion on whether it was safe or unsafe to navigate his why to Titanic. I will get back to what Kyrila asked a little bit later.
Burel Jean Pierre said: and I know the difference between helping a man in need and failing while trying , and remaining on the chartroom settee
Again in my opinion this is hindsight. We know now that there were things wrong he didn't. The fact that Captain Lord is in the chartroom and not in his cabin is a indication that he expected to be up or at least awakened during the night. We can't blame him for not knowing something he didn't know that he needed to know. We can blame him and Mr. Stone for not properly checking out the situation.
Kyrila asks: when Capt. Lord heard about Titanic's sinking when he arose in the morning, it still took them until 10:00 a.m. to reach the site, having to negotiate around the pack ice. And this was in broad daylight! So even if they had tried at night to attempt to reach the coordinates (which we now know were not even correct) it would have taken even longer in the dark to reach them and they still wouldn't have gotten there in time to make any difference.
This is a very key thing in understanding the entire event. I think you are spot on. Remeber that ships don't have headlights and navigating in the dark in a one screw ship in an icefield isn't exactly the smartest thing to do. That is why Captain Lord stayed put after he ran his ship head long into an icefield that he could not see all that well.
Kyrila said: Frankly, I don't think Capt. Erik would presume to second guess a doctor performing his duties. Perhaps conversely, we shouldn't presume to tell a captain how to do his?
Interesting and good point.