Why doesn’t the Titanic implode?

With the recent implosion of the Titan, why doesn’t the Titanic implode? It’s 5500 psi at the site?


A few things I don’t understand. Is it the weight of the water on an air filled object like a Coca Cola can that causes the implosion? So would a filled can not implode? If it will, then the Titanic is full of fluid, and why hasn’t it imploded?

And, if not, such that the fluid within is why the Titanic is not crushed, then wouldn’t it be safer if a submersible would be completely filled with water and passengers are immersed in this for a trip like in a swimming pool with, of course, a breathing hose connected to oxygen?
 
The Titanic will not implode because its interior, or what is left of it, is already flooded and the pressure gradient between the "outside" and "inside" is virtually zero.

That is why neither the bow nor the stern section imploded during the sinking. The bow was already flooded before the breakup and so when it sank, there was no pressure differential to cause implosion. The stern was mostly dry before the break-up but that catastrophic event exposed the deck spaces to very rapid flooding while it was still on the surface. Still there was probably some trapped air in the stern when it settled below the surface but the continued flooding would have rapidly forced that air out. Since air is compressible and water is not, the pressure of the remaining air would have momentarily increased and so it would have been expelled with an explosive (ie outward) force.
 
And, if not, such that the fluid within is why the Titanic is not crushed, then wouldn’t it be safer if a submersible would be completely filled with water and passengers are immersed in this for a trip like in a swimming pool with, of course, a breathing hose connected to oxygen?
Because the human body cannot withstand pressures of 5,500 psi, you could not use straight O2 at that pressure; it would become poisonous. Divers diving the Britainnic use a Heliox mixture (Helium and Oxygen) to make breathing easier because of the extreme depth. The maximum depth for recreational dives is recommended to be 130 feet. That allows for about 10 minutes of bottom time and a no decompression ascent. Anything beyond 130 feet deep is considered technical diving and is beyond the scope of recreational diving (Britainnic is at about 400 feet).

Basically, it is physically impossible to dive to 12,500 feet without a pressure vessel that maintains normal atmospheric pressure inside. And that basically means a sphere of titanium. A perfect sphere allows pressure to be applied equally to the object. The oblong shape of Titan was asking for trouble, especially when mixing two different materials and not allowing for any nondestructive testing of the result.
 
Because the human body cannot withstand pressures of 5,500 psi, you could not use straight O2 at that pressure; it would become poisonous. Divers diving the Britainnic use a Heliox mixture (Helium and Oxygen) to make breathing easier because of the extreme depth. The maximum depth for recreational dives is recommended to be 130 feet. That allows for about 10 minutes of bottom time and a no decompression ascent. Anything beyond 130 feet deep is considered technical diving and is beyond the scope of recreational diving (Britainnic is at about 400 feet).

Basically, it is physically impossible to dive to 12,500 feet without a pressure vessel that maintains normal atmospheric pressure inside. And that basically means a sphere of titanium. A perfect sphere allows pressure to be applied equally to the object. The oblong shape of Titan was asking for trouble, especially when mixing two different materials and not allowing for any nondestructive testing of the result.
I was implying a vessel like the Titan or the Titan itself which is very strong and also filled with water to offset the pressure gradient, and also have structurally sound components for that depth.
 
I was implying a vessel like the Titan or the Titan itself which is very strong and also filled with water to offset the pressure gradient, and also have structurally sound components for that depth.
This is impossible because the typical treatment of water as an incompressible fluid is actually just an abstraction for convenience, so filling the hull of a submersible with water would not, in fact, resist hull compression in pressure loading at depth.

Conversely filling the Titanic with water prevented implosion because the water on the inside and outside of the ship were at an equal constant pressure as they were in communication with each other and so as the ship plunged the internal and external pressure remained equal. As has already been stated, a human being cannot survive at that pressure.
 
The water inside your proposed flooded submersible would be at the same pressue as the water outside, so the people would be crushed just as if they were outside the sub I fear.
That's putting it clearly and very well across, thank you.

Mr Bojangles, to further explain what Mr Goodwin has already said above, the actual water pressure where the wreck of Titanic now lies is about 6000 PSI or around 400 times the atmospheric pressure. But that is the same inside and outside the wreck with water freely 'flowing' in and out - although it may not actually be flowing as such. That means, despite the enormous actual pressure, the pressure difference will be zero; it is such a gradient which is likely to cause an implosion or explosion, which clearly does not exist here.

When the Titanic broke apart at the ocean surface, the actual pressures were about 15 PSI, which is hardly felt by the human body or anything else. The bow was already flooded and like the stern section, its own deck spaces were also exposed after the break-up. So, as the bow sank, the actual water pressure rapidly increased as it always does, but it did so equally both inside and outside, which were therefore pressure equilibrated right till the bow reached the bottom of the ocean, and so it remains today. Therefore, no implosion or explosion.

A nearly similar would have been effect with the stern section, despite the fact that it was mostly dry till the break-up. The deck spaces were exposed here too and so very rapid flooding would have started while the stern section was still at the surface, where it remained for between 1 and 2 minutes IMO before disappearing beneath the surface. During that time most, if not all the air within the stern section would have been forcibly displaced by the flooding water and that process would have continued as it sank. By the time the external water pressure became high enough to potentially exert implosive forces on the stern section, almost all the air would have been displaced by water and so the pressure difference between the spaces inside and the sea outside would have been very low. So again, no implosion.

It is theoretically possible that small air pockets remained deep within the stern section as it approached the ocean floor, but as air is compressible and compression increases pressure, the pressure of those air pockets could have increased exponentially. IF that had happened - and it is no means certain that it did - that pressurized air could have been suddenly forced out when the stern struck the bottom. In that case, the forces would have been explosive, ie from inside to outside - probably contributing to the mangled state of the stern section.

But with the Titan, the hull breach occurred probably at around 9000 feet at a stage when the external pressure was enormous and enough to kill a human being within a fraction of a second. Up until then, the pressure within the sub would have been low enough for human comfort, but separated from the enormous pressure building up outside by the Titan's pressure hull. When that failed, the 5 occupants would have been exposed suddenly to water under huge pressure leading to instantaneous death.

I hope that this clarifies things.
 
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The water inside your proposed flooded submersible would be at the same pressue as the water outside, so the people would be crushed just as if they were outside the sub I fear.
I believe Mr Bojangles was asking something slightly different, namely why filling a submersible with water wouldn’t help its resistance to implosion. This is derived from the common simplification of water as an incompressible fluid. But in fact water would offer no particular resistance to the compression of the hull. Technically, everything is compressible at the macro level, it’s merely that for many substances we assume otherwise for convenience of calculation.

As an aside if water truly was incompressible it would transmit force perfectly and instantaneously and the people in the submersible would still be crushed.
 
With the recent implosion of the Titan, why doesn’t the Titanic implode? It’s 5500 psi at the site?


A few things I don’t understand. Is it the weight of the water on an air filled object like a Coca Cola can that causes the implosion? So would a filled can not implode? If it will, then the Titanic is full of fluid, and why hasn’t it imploded?

And, if not, such that the fluid within is why the Titanic is not crushed, then wouldn’t it be safer if a submersible would be completely filled with water and passengers are immersed in this for a trip like in a swimming pool with, of course, a breathing hose connected to oxygen?
interesting concepts here! the analogy of a full can of soda regarding implosion is a good comparison to support a water filled submersible with breathing hose attachments; curious to hear others thoughts!
 
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