Abuse of bow

[Kurt Urbain]

Found a short clip of a submersible arm molesting a piece of the bow on Instagram. I was totally disgusted by this. Not sure which expedition it was, but a shot of one of the MIR preceded it.

 

[Steven Christian]

Found a short clip of a submersible arm molesting a piece of the bow on Instagram. I was totally disgusted by this. Not sure which expedition it was, but a shot of one of the MIR preceded it.

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In what way? Did they just bump into something or were they grabbing stuff? If a submerisible has a little bump here and there it would seem a small price for the exploration and research they have been able to carry out on the wreck. The reason I ask was on the last expidition the submerisible barley nudged it and people (media) were trying to make it out like they were doing full demo on her. From the looks of it it probably brushed against some rusticles.

 

[Kurt Urbain]

I don’t know the name of the part, but it’s a hinge on the front of the bow that held a cable to the forward mast, which I assume is fragile, and the submersible arm is tugging it up and down for no apparent reason except to see if it still moves. Did you not see the image? This isn’t a sub landing on the deck for exploration. They grabbed the most iconic part of the wreck and tugged on it for no reason.

 

[Bob Read]

The piece they are moving is the shackle for the forestays.

 

[Steven Christian]

I don’t know the name of the part, but it’s a hinge on the front of the bow that held a cable to the forward mast, which I assume is fragile, and the submersible arm is tugging it up and down for no apparent reason except to see if it still moves. Did you not see the image? This isn’t a sub landing on the deck for exploration. They grabbed the most iconic part of the wreck and tugged on it for no reason.

Yeah I saw it but really couldn't make out what I was seeing other than the shackle. I guess i can see the sub arm now that you point it out. Thanks. You'll have to forgive me because I've reached the stage where I have to use my cheaters to see finer details now. It sucks but it is what it is. I would have to go see the clip but I don't use any of the Twits, Insta, Fakebook stuff. Guess its my loss...well maybe not.

 

[Mike Bull2019]

In Pellegrino's 'Her Name, Titanic' one of the Alvin pilots from 1986 said that when they went down without Ballard, they did this.

Is there a link for the actual clip?

 

[Aly Jones]

You can see the shackle being pulled on purpose.

 

[WestRail642fan]

what i want to know is how were they able to jerk it around like that. Surely it would be so rusted it wouldn't budge an inch

 

[Steven Christian]

Well it's not the shackle but on the same expedition you can see them trying to grab the pursers safe. At least I remember them saying that's what they thought it was. I guess only some parts of Titanic are sacred....
You can scroll to 11:30 mark to see them trying to grab it.

 

[Steven Christian]

Alvin moving the shackle. At 9:30 in the vid.

 

[Mike Bull2019]

Thanks for posting the video. Here is 1986 expedition Alvin pilot Phil Tibbetts, in an excerpt from 'Her Name, Titanic' by Charles Pellegrino-

"Anyway, the Navy wanted some good action stuff. So I tried to open some portholes, and we raised the Titanic once. That was pretty good. There's this big shackle hanging over the point of the bow. I brought Alvin bow to bow with all the cameras running. Then I grabbed the shackle with Alvin's arm and lifted the sub up and down. From the video you can't tell if the sub is stationary and the Titanic is being lifted up and down, or if it's the other way around- it depends on your perspective. Basically, it looks like I was wagging the Titanic".

 

[Cam Houseman]

I don’t know the name of the part, but it’s a hinge on the front of the bow that held a cable to the forward mast, which I assume is fragile, and the submersible arm is tugging it up and down for no apparent reason except to see if it still moves. Did you not see the image? This isn’t a sub landing on the deck for exploration. They grabbed the most iconic part of the wreck and tugged on it for no reason.

In what year, 1987? they had to cut these cables to look at her name, as they posed a danger to the submersible. Unfortunately, the cables yanked back and caused the Crow's nest to be knocked loose. I wouldn't say it was for no reason

 

[Mike Bull2019]

1986, as per my post above yours.

 

[Steven Christian]

Thanks for posting the video. Here is 1986 expedition Alvin pilot Phil Tibbetts, in an excerpt from 'Her Name, Titanic' by Charles Pellegrino-

"Anyway, the Navy wanted some good action stuff. So I tried to open some portholes, and we raised the Titanic once. That was pretty good. There's this big shackle hanging over the point of the bow. I brought Alvin bow to bow with all the cameras running. Then I grabbed the shackle with Alvin's arm and lifted the sub up and down. From the video you can't tell if the sub is stationary and the Titanic is being lifted up and down, or if it's the other way around- it depends on your perspective. Basically, it looks like I was wagging the Titanic".

That's interesting. I will have to go back and read some more about that expedition. I always thought the Navy was trying to keep their whole involvement with that a secret because of why Ballard was really out there. But I could be wrong about that as I know the Navy like all the branches loved good PR. Cheers.