Mark Baber
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Accident to the Crown Princess
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Brandon McKinney
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I live in Brevard County and have been past Port Canaveral many times - but I wish I could have seen this one come in.
I have a serious suspicion that the captain made a navigation error that caused this to happen. Port Canaveral is located just south of Cape Canaveral - a point that was formed by tidal deposits and building up of sand bars. Just off the cape there are dozens of large sand bars called the Chester Shoals - and one of them is just off the tip of the cape and no more than five feet underwater.
I bet the captain - in his haste to get to New York or in error, turned the ship too early out of the port and the ship caught briefly on one of the shoals off Cape Canaveral and that's what caused the ship do its sudden 180.
Just a theory.
I have a serious suspicion that the captain made a navigation error that caused this to happen. Port Canaveral is located just south of Cape Canaveral - a point that was formed by tidal deposits and building up of sand bars. Just off the cape there are dozens of large sand bars called the Chester Shoals - and one of them is just off the tip of the cape and no more than five feet underwater.
I bet the captain - in his haste to get to New York or in error, turned the ship too early out of the port and the ship caught briefly on one of the shoals off Cape Canaveral and that's what caused the ship do its sudden 180.
Just a theory.
Jonathan Granato
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Sounds pretty terrifying. If it's the Captain's error, this is NOT gonna be a good day for him!
Michael H. Standart
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According to an article posted at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/18/national/main1817001.shtml?source=RSS&attr=HOME_1817001 what happened was some sort of steering casualty. I don't know whether or not it's true, but it's at least superficially plausible. Extreme rudder angles can cause some pretty substantial lists.
I'm sure the NTSB or the Coast Gaurd will be looking into this so we may see if the results of the investigation show if the story has anything to do with reality.
I'm sure the NTSB or the Coast Gaurd will be looking into this so we may see if the results of the investigation show if the story has anything to do with reality.
Dave Gittins
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I think it was Poseidon's way of saying, "Get that ugly thing off my ocean!"
Shelley Dziedzic
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http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/dozens-hurt-when-cruise-ship-tilts-off/20060718170309990003?_ccc=4&cid=842 The AOL news service is carrying the story as a headliner too. The Captain does not come off sounding too great- "terrified" as one passenger reports. There are five photos at the link above. The Tuesday night film was going to be Titanic!
Michael H. Standart
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>>The Captain does not come off sounding too great- "terrified" as one passenger reports. <<
I noticed that. My bet is the line is going to have some words with him about this. When you have over 3000 souls aboard plus the crew, one of the most important things in a crisis is to avoid causing a panic. Fear is infectious and there's nothing quite like the skipper being percieved as having "lost it" to provoke a panic.
I noticed that. My bet is the line is going to have some words with him about this. When you have over 3000 souls aboard plus the crew, one of the most important things in a crisis is to avoid causing a panic. Fear is infectious and there's nothing quite like the skipper being percieved as having "lost it" to provoke a panic.
Mark Robert Hopkins
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The thing about this, however, is that panic was inevitable, regardless of the Captain's perception (although his fear would have made the situation seem worse). When you're on deck and the ship suddenly topples with increasing speed, with other people and objects flying around you, you're going to freak, understandably. The captain's fear won't alleviate any of that, nor, in my opinion, should it. Those on board had a right to freak--that was a scary situation! How can any crew person credibly explain that "everything's [going to be] all right" as the ship is falling over?
By the way, I got the point about the the Titanic movie, but I think that Poseidon would have been more appropriate. Situations such as these remind us that scenarios illustrated in movies like The Poseidon Adventure and Poseidon are more possible than many people realize.
Hey, Mike, How are you? When I read this story this morning, I was curious about what your initial reaction would be. We can't blame the crew for this, since there is yet no evidence to substantiate it, and we know that passengers (in all likelihood) didn't cause it. Even though the Captain is held accountable, "stuff" does, in fact, happen, and s/he can't always prevent it. That's life!
Take care
Mark
By the way, I got the point about the the Titanic movie, but I think that Poseidon would have been more appropriate. Situations such as these remind us that scenarios illustrated in movies like The Poseidon Adventure and Poseidon are more possible than many people realize.
Hey, Mike, How are you? When I read this story this morning, I was curious about what your initial reaction would be. We can't blame the crew for this, since there is yet no evidence to substantiate it, and we know that passengers (in all likelihood) didn't cause it. Even though the Captain is held accountable, "stuff" does, in fact, happen, and s/he can't always prevent it. That's life!
Take care
Mark
Michael H. Standart
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>>Hey, Mike, How are you?<<
Still getting along.
>>We can't blame the crew for this, since there is yet no evidence to substantiate it, and we know that passengers (in all likelihood) didn't cause it.<<
Well not yet anyway. I'm sure whoever the investigating authority is will be taking a very close look at the maintainance and repair records so I hope Princess Cruises has their ducks in a row on this one. It won't be very pleasant if they don't, and if somebody screwed up any repairs or any of the routine maintainance on the steering gear or the Azipods (If that's what they're using) somebody is going to be looking for a new job!
On the other hand, it could very well be that the Crown Princess was bitten by some sort of defect that can be traced to the construction of the ship. She's a new vessel after all, and teething problems come with the territory. Still, if this is a teething problem, it's an extreme one. The sort that's going to have the builder facing some hard questions.
Still getting along.
>>We can't blame the crew for this, since there is yet no evidence to substantiate it, and we know that passengers (in all likelihood) didn't cause it.<<
Well not yet anyway. I'm sure whoever the investigating authority is will be taking a very close look at the maintainance and repair records so I hope Princess Cruises has their ducks in a row on this one. It won't be very pleasant if they don't, and if somebody screwed up any repairs or any of the routine maintainance on the steering gear or the Azipods (If that's what they're using) somebody is going to be looking for a new job!
On the other hand, it could very well be that the Crown Princess was bitten by some sort of defect that can be traced to the construction of the ship. She's a new vessel after all, and teething problems come with the territory. Still, if this is a teething problem, it's an extreme one. The sort that's going to have the builder facing some hard questions.
So it rolled 30 degrees once. How does this compare to some of the stories about the Queen Mary getting hit by large waves? In the famous stories about her rolling and almost capsizing, how many degrees was that?
I don't think that I would ever want to cross the Atlantic on the Crown Princess
I don't think that I would ever want to cross the Atlantic on the Crown Princess
Samuel Halpern
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July 18, 2006, the Crown Princess has a steering problem that caused the ship to list abruptly critically injuring an adult and a child, and seriously injuring another 10.
March 23, 2006, the Star Princess broke out in fire while it was on its way to the Caribbean killing one passenger, injuring 11 other people and damaging some 150 cabins before the crew extinguished the flames.
I think Princess Cruise Line has a big PR problem now.
March 23, 2006, the Star Princess broke out in fire while it was on its way to the Caribbean killing one passenger, injuring 11 other people and damaging some 150 cabins before the crew extinguished the flames.
I think Princess Cruise Line has a big PR problem now.
Grant Carman
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Samuel
Hmmmm. Here's an idea. Have Carnival shut down the Princess name. Take the newest and nicest ships (not neccessarily the same ones), and convert to Cunard.
They've got 3 Queens, why not 3 Princesses (Princess Royal, Princess of Wales, and Princess Margaret Rose), or re-launch the Mauretania, Berengaria, Aquitainia names. Or if there's enough, do BOTH!
It might end up making Carnival even more money, since Cunard is a premium priced line.
But then I happen to prefer Cunard over Princess.
Hmmmm. Here's an idea. Have Carnival shut down the Princess name. Take the newest and nicest ships (not neccessarily the same ones), and convert to Cunard.
They've got 3 Queens, why not 3 Princesses (Princess Royal, Princess of Wales, and Princess Margaret Rose), or re-launch the Mauretania, Berengaria, Aquitainia names. Or if there's enough, do BOTH!
But then I happen to prefer Cunard over Princess.
Mark Robert Hopkins
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"It won't be very pleasant if they don't, and if somebody screwed up any repairs or any of the routine maintenance on the steering gear or the Azipods (If that's what they're using) somebody is going to be looking for a new job!"
First, what are Azipods? Going by the context in which you mentioned this, I would presume they are some form of modern-day steering mechanism, possibly automatic and probably computerized.
Second, after this, whoever is responsible won't have to worry about looking for a job--no one's likely to hire him/her. Would you? Mistakes happen, but still. Look at what happened with Hitchens: It's a well-known theory that the reason he "disappeared" was that the White Star Line had a problem reassigning the man who steered the then-largest ship in the world into an iceberg, whether it was due to obeying orders or not.
As for defects, if that is the case, that would have to be some defect! Someone at design and construction would be out of a job. Any defect influential enough to cause this to happen shouldn't reasonably go unnoticed.
First, what are Azipods? Going by the context in which you mentioned this, I would presume they are some form of modern-day steering mechanism, possibly automatic and probably computerized.
Second, after this, whoever is responsible won't have to worry about looking for a job--no one's likely to hire him/her. Would you? Mistakes happen, but still. Look at what happened with Hitchens: It's a well-known theory that the reason he "disappeared" was that the White Star Line had a problem reassigning the man who steered the then-largest ship in the world into an iceberg, whether it was due to obeying orders or not.
As for defects, if that is the case, that would have to be some defect! Someone at design and construction would be out of a job. Any defect influential enough to cause this to happen shouldn't reasonably go unnoticed.
Shelley Dziedzic
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AOL news has some interviews with a line spokesperson and some footage of people being taken off in wheelchairs and stretchers. You can bet this will launch one big investigation. I wonder how Martha Stewart feels? She christened this ship, thereby becoming the "godmother" and she seldom has any kind of failure!
Peter Spielvogel
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I think Azipods are those new kind of propellers. They work like outboard engines suspended under the ship and they rotate to turn the ship, instead of having a rudder.
