B-Deck Millionare Suites

[Lorna Spargo]

Thanks Brian,

I appreciate the confirmation on all of the points. There are so many sources of informationa and they don't all say the same thing. I have seen the B 51-53-55 Parlour Suites listed in various locations as empty, or the "home" of the Astor's, or the "home" of the Cardeza family. It is really nice to be able to have a place where I can begin to sort out the confusion.

Lorna

 

[Ben Holme]

Hi Lorna and Brian,

B51-53-55 was the starboard suite, occupied by the Cardezas. Ismay occupied the equivelent suite on the port side (B52-54-56) which, as Brian points out, also "accomodated" the fictional Hockley/De Witt Bukater party in the '97 film.

All the best,
Ben

 

[Brian R Peterson]

Ben,

Yes it is the starboard suite - I have not worked with my interactive blueprint project nor have I viewed a set of deckplans in over three years so I am a tad rusty in their placement, however I did verify that the Cardezza Family occupied B51/B53/B55 while J. Bruce Ismay occupied B52/B54/B56.

I also pointed out that in the movie Cameron's cabin and sitting room decor was entirely wrong - the sitting room was the wrong decor as were the bedrooms.

Best Regards,

Brian

 

[Rachel Carter]

Hello, ET:

I can't remember where I read/heard this little tidbit of information, but it did confuse me and I wanted to sort things out for myself. It was always common fact to me that J. Bruce Ismay took over suites B52, B54, B56 after J. Pierpont Morgan canceled his passage. (As we all know, this was the Hockley/DeWitt Bukater suite as well!)

But I remember some little quote - God only knows from one of the many, many books I've read, or some of the bonus material on my 3-disc Titanic DVD - that no one knows for sure where Ismay stayed while on the Titanic. Is it true, that no one knows?

 

[Michael H. Standart]

>>Is it true, that no one knows?<<

No, it's not an unknown. The cabin numbers B52/54/56 are correct.

>>It was always common fact to me that J. Bruce Ismay took over suites B52, B54, B56 after J. Pierpont Morgan canceled his passage.<<

This may not be quite the common fact as supposed. Morgan was already in France when the Titanic sailed so it looks like if he had planned on going, he canceled long beforhand.

 

[Brian O'Dell]

B-52,54,56 was occupied by Bruce Ismay and B-53,55,57 was occupied by the Cardeza's if I'm not mistaken. These both had their own Private Promenade and B-52 was in Louis XIV. B-53 was in Adams style and in B-54 and B-56 Bedrooms they were both in Empire while all other Staterooms did not include the same decor in two connecting Cabins. If I am incorrect I am sure Daniel will correct me.

This is from my book at home put into my own words. I have been brushing up in my Titanic knowledge.

 

[Daniel Klistorner]

Brian

I go into this in detail in Vol 2 of “Titanic: The Ship Magnificent” there is also a plan of the B Deck suites which outlines all the styles of each of the cabins. Each style is described and illustrated.

In short however, B 52 was in Louis XVI (Seize) style and B 51 in Adam style. B 54 and B 53 were in Empire and Italian Renaissance style (respectively) and B 55 and 56 were in the same H&W-manufactured style.

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Daniel.

 

[Brian O'Dell]

Thanks for the info.

[Moderator's note: About half a dozen separate threads discussing the B deck suites have been consolidated here. For more about whether Morgan ever intended to make Titanic's maiden voyage, look here. MAB]

 

[Cody Gentry]

I heard rumors that Ismay himself might have upgraded to the First Class Stateroom with the private promenade. Does anybody have concrete evidence or juxtapositionary material to disprove this assertion?

 

[Cody Gentry]

Correction* It is the 'Millionaires' Suite - Cabins B52, 54, 56.

[Moderator's note: This message and the one above it, originally a separate thread in a different subtopic, have been moved to this pre-existing thread discussing the same suite. MAB]

 

[titanmarc]

I may have missed an earlier post, so forgive the question if I have. In the 4 pics of the suites B-deck, which we have all studied for years, has anyone ever noticed the "stateroom hat hooks," the ones onthe wall situated above the pillows on the settees, just behind the table? In B 57, Old Dutch decor, there is no such hook. That has always bothered me.

 

[Michael H. Standart]

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[Karlee Weiler]

Charlotte Cardeza occupied suites B51 53 and 55, the other set of the millionaire suites. I find it very interesting that even though James Cameron used this state room to film "Titanic", they were never able to find her 14 trunks or four suitcases lost in the accident or any other artifacts that she filed her insurance claims on. I figure most of her trunks were bellow decks, but even jewelry or anything else for that matter. Is it possible they did find/see artifacts but just did not wish to bring them back with them?

 

[Michael H. Standart]

>>Is it possible they did find/see artifacts but just did not wish to bring them back with them?<<

It's not really a matter of wish since the Cameron Expedition is legally barred from doing so and had no such desire in any event. His approach was "Look, but don't touch."

That said, they may well have seen quite a bit but it's not really a surprise that they would have failed to locate any trunks. Even if any haven't decomposed, there's quite a bit that's buried in the sediment and the debris.

 

[Karlee Weiler]

Yeah, I guess I really didnt put two and two together with the "look but dont touch" thing. Thanks though!