Cave list

[Arun Vajpey]

I was going to go look up cavelist as I had never seen the term before.

The "Cave List" was a partial list of First Class cabin allocations found on the body of Titanic Victim First Class Saloon Steward Herbert Cave. It is believed to be the only such on-board official list in existence.

The Cave List

The Cave List: Titanic’s documented list of first-class passenger cabins, providing insights into early accommodations and passenger cancellations.

www.encyclopedia-titanica.org

 

[Steven Christian]

The "Cave List" was a partial list of First Class cabin allocations found on the body of Titanic Victim First Class Saloon Steward Herbert Cave. It is believed to be the only such on-board official list in existence.

The Cave List

The Cave List: Titanic’s documented list of first-class passenger cabins, providing insights into early accommodations and passenger cancellations.

www.encyclopedia-titanica.org

That's interesting. Don't know how I missed it before or just completly forgotten about it if I had read of it. I could see where they would have a list for First class. Maybe even Second class. But Third class it would be hard as people were often shuffled around or not assigned a berth until they got on board.

 

[Arun Vajpey]

There was probably quite a bit of shuffling around. As you know, "Baron" Alfred Nourney was originally on a Second Class ticket but upgraded himself on board to First Class, presumably through the Chief Purser.

For me, the main interest with the Cave List is that it places the Spencer couple (correctly, IMO) in Cabin B-76 and not B-78 as thought by some sources. That raises the question about the identities of the unknown couple in (almost certainly officially unoccupied at the time) B-78 was - they refused to open the door in response to Steward Etches repeated attempts at knocking. I have a theory (and only that) about them but could be inappropriate to post it in the open forums.

 

[Steven Christian]

There was probably quite a bit of shuffling around. As you know, "Baron" Alfred Nourney was originally on a Second Class ticket but upgraded himself on board to First Class, presumably through the Chief Purser.

For me, the main interest with the Cave List is that it places the Spencer couple (correctly, IMO) in Cabin B-76 and not B-78 as thought by some sources. That raises the question about the identities of the unknown couple in (almost certainly officially unoccupied at the time) B-78 was - they refused to open the door in response to Steward Etches repeated attempts at knocking. I have a theory (and only that) about them but could be inappropriate to post it in the open forums.

"could be inappropriate to post it in the open forums."
As in a little hanky panky going on? Wouldn't be the first time. I was going to also say maybe international jewel thieves or some other criminals but if they were smart it would have been better to go 3rd class where no one would probably take notice of you. Cheers.

 

[Seumas]

"could be inappropriate to post it in the open forums."
As in a little hanky panky going on? Wouldn't be the first time. I was going to also say maybe international jewel thieves or some other criminals but if they were smart it would have been better to go 3rd class where no one would probably take notice of you. Cheers.

The body of third class passenger Austin van Billiard was found to have "twelve loose diamonds" on his person. Whether he was going to declare them to customs at New York or try and sneak them through, we'll never know !

There was also one man aboard who was technically a fugitive, third class passenger Harold Reynolds.

A few weeks prior to boarding the Titanic with the intention of immigrating, he had been Private Reynolds of the Royal West Kent Regiment. He had deserted his unit and had provo marshals looking for him.

 

[Steven Christian]

The body of third class passenger Austin van Billiard was found to have "twelve loose diamonds" on his person. Whether he was going to declare them to customs at New York or try and sneak them through, we'll never know !

There was also one man aboard who was technically a fugitive, third class passenger Harold Reynolds.

A few weeks prior to boarding the Titanic with the intention of immigrating, he had been Private Reynolds of the Royal West Kent Regiment. He had deserted his unit and had provo marshals looking for him.

Yes. I had forgotten about the diamonds that he had. But not saying he was a jewel thief or anything. Carrying money or wealth was different in those days. Could have been for a variety of reasons. Today it's easier than when I was a kid living in Germany. Now a debit card and pocket full of euro's you can pretty much get around Europe without having to change currencies. Cheers.

 

[Arun Vajpey]

As in a little hanky panky going on? Wouldn't be the first time.

I actually have a theory about the identity of the man and woman involved. I do not want to name them here because it is only my theory and there might be descendants of one or both of them reading these forums. I have sent you a PM.