Jeff Kelley
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"Tens of thousands"? Seems a bit low. I seem to recall that at any given time there are millions - perhaps tens of millions - of auctions on ebay.
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Titanic Artifacts sold
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Michael H. Standart
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>>I seem to recall that at any given time there are millions - perhaps tens of millions - of auctions on ebay.<<
An even larger problem then. How can they possibly monitor it all? Really, they can't.
An even larger problem then. How can they possibly monitor it all? Really, they can't.
sashka pozzetti
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Even more reason for us to all take the problem seriously when it occurs amongst people we thought we could trust, such as the examples mentioned above!
I don't mind admitting I was a bit slow on the uptake when it came to a con-artist. It's usually very obvious when you realise, and just a little bit embarrassing, because all the clues were there. It is the disadvantage of being trusting, but I would rather be that sort of person
I don't mind admitting I was a bit slow on the uptake when it came to a con-artist. It's usually very obvious when you realise, and just a little bit embarrassing, because all the clues were there. It is the disadvantage of being trusting, but I would rather be that sort of person
John A. Zdanowicz
Member
Is there any update on this story. The lady sold things on ebay under the name chilesplay and her feedback stops at the end of 2006. I wonder if there will be any attempt to retrieve items she sold from the buyers?
Marko LULIC
Member
My motto is still Today on E-bay, tomorrow in
trash basket.Of course both participants are
responsible, seller and buyer IN CIVILIZE
Country.
In the God`s garden grow up different flowers.
trash basket.Of course both participants are
responsible, seller and buyer IN CIVILIZE
Country.
In the God`s garden grow up different flowers.
Michael H. Standart
Member
>>I wonder if there will be any attempt to retrieve items she sold from the buyers?<<
If there is, it's not being discussed in the media and I suspect that any such attempt will be fruitless for the most part. Some things, once they're gone, they're gone.
If there is, it's not being discussed in the media and I suspect that any such attempt will be fruitless for the most part. Some things, once they're gone, they're gone.
Marko LULIC
Member
This discussion is fruitless.Historical items gone
in black market forever.I suppose museum documentation related to stolen items is still alive, who will be so stupid to sell that items again on public place or this is a wild world!?
When you want to see real relics old over 100 y
just click this link.
http://www.bonhams.com/etc
in black market forever.I suppose museum documentation related to stolen items is still alive, who will be so stupid to sell that items again on public place or this is a wild world!?
When you want to see real relics old over 100 y
just click this link.
http://www.bonhams.com/etc
lewis orchard
Member
As you will see from my post and pictures above, amazingly stolen items not only appear for sale, but they are returned to their proper homes.
My understanding from the Met. Art Theft squad is that a surprisingly high number of stolen museum items do eventually re-surface because they inevitably make their way into a specialist collectors market where their true identity is realised.
Yes, it is very stupid indeed for stolen items to be sold on, but it was of course equally stupid to steal them in the first place!
As I repeatedly say on this site, always check the provenance of items you are buying, and any claims made by the person selling them. The attempt to deceive is often very amateurish indeed, so can be prevented and items rescued.
My understanding from the Met. Art Theft squad is that a surprisingly high number of stolen museum items do eventually re-surface because they inevitably make their way into a specialist collectors market where their true identity is realised.
Yes, it is very stupid indeed for stolen items to be sold on, but it was of course equally stupid to steal them in the first place!
As I repeatedly say on this site, always check the provenance of items you are buying, and any claims made by the person selling them. The attempt to deceive is often very amateurish indeed, so can be prevented and items rescued.
Marko LULIC
Member
Agreed with you Lewis, and just as addition,seller`s full
real name, address, must be disposable for
final buyer.
real name, address, must be disposable for
final buyer.
Dale Schadegg sr.
Member
I,ve been lucky enough to have visited the traveling exhibition twice. I always thought that recovery and display of artifacts from the wreck site was the best way to preserve and present Titanic's story for the future. However when one of the world,s most important museums for the preservation of maritime history can't protect itself, I must wonder if Titanic would have been better off left alone. By the way I think E-bay can trace items purchased. Would they be liable under the the U.S. federal law prohibiting sale of objects from the wreck?
Bill Willard
Member
There appears to be a misconception. In this topic, it seems that "artifact", though used correctly, leads one to believe that items recovered from the wrecksite were sold on ebay. That is not the case. The "artifacts" that were sold belonged to items donated to the museum in Virginia by survivors and their families.
The artifacts recovered from the bottom of the ocean by RMST have not been sold, nor can they be per court orders. Though RMST has tried legally to acquire the rights to sell some of the pieces, they would NEVER provoke the wrath of a powerful court.
Unless I'm mistaken, a large number of the sold pieces included pieces of the Aks collection, donated by Frank Aks and his family, among others.
The artifacts recovered from the bottom of the ocean by RMST have not been sold, nor can they be per court orders. Though RMST has tried legally to acquire the rights to sell some of the pieces, they would NEVER provoke the wrath of a powerful court.
Unless I'm mistaken, a large number of the sold pieces included pieces of the Aks collection, donated by Frank Aks and his family, among others.
Michael H. Standart
Member
Bill, do you know if any of these items have been recovered? I'd hate to think that they would simply vanish into the eather, but unless the authorities working this are really on the ball, that's probably the most realistic outcome.
Michael Cundiff
Member
The preceeding, a line in part from Bob Dylan's song "Hurricane".
Anyhow...archivist Lester F. Weber will spend four years in a federal prison. You will recall,
amongst mail fraud, Weber stole TITANIC items from the Newport News Mariner's Museum.
Source: Antique Trader 11 Feb. '09.
Michael Cundiff
NV, USA
Anyhow...archivist Lester F. Weber will spend four years in a federal prison. You will recall,
amongst mail fraud, Weber stole TITANIC items from the Newport News Mariner's Museum.
Source: Antique Trader 11 Feb. '09.
Michael Cundiff
NV, USA
