John R. Joyce, a banker of Carlsbad, N. M., a passenger on the Carpathia, said:

"When the Carpathia reached the scene of the wreck, we saw eighteen boats and one raft on the water. The Carpathia picked them all up. Four persons on the raft were dead. They were buried at sea on our way back to New York, a survivor told me that some of the Titanic's passengers jumped for the lifeboats, missed them and were drowned. I heard nothing of Maj. Butt."

"How did Mr. Ismay get out?" Mr. Joyce was asked.

"Well," said Mr. Joyce, "he got into a lifeboat. On the Carpathia he went to a stateroom without saying a word. There was some criticism regarding him on board the boat, but he was not severely censured. Survivors said that evrybody could have been saved if there had been enough lifeboats."

Chicago Daily Journal, Friday, April 19, 1912, p. 2, c. 4