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I do go into cabin changes & possible inaccuracies, but in addition to what I said, the Davidson & Hays party were "guests" on board and only paid a minimum fare to travel 1st class and were given some of the best suites on board. Other than that, all the cabins on the Cave list (inaccuracies aside) are the cabins they paid for and correspond with the prices listed.

Daniel.
 
Charles,

I'm traveling at the moment, so I unfortunately don't have the time to check what I wrote and I don't have any of my material with me.

I can't remember what I wrote in the article, but if you look in the Cave list, Stead doesn't actually have a cbin listed for him. Obviously he paid minimum price for whatever was given to him on board. Apparently he was given an inside C deck stateroom and later asked to be moved to another one. Whether this is true or not is of little consequence. The price list shows minimum price for his cabin, and the Cave list doesn't even give him a cabin (which fits in with what I say in the article for people with no cabins). Whatever the circumstances, he would have organised to have C87 after boarding.

There isn't enough information about Maj Butt's booking. All we know is how much he paid, and what cabin he was in from the Cave list. In direct comparison, R. W. Smith only paid minimum fare for his cabin, A19 as well. There are too many anomalies with prices paid and cabins occupied. I think what we're dealing with here is with people in large suite cabins who paid low prices, and not with people in cabins who did not pay advertised prices.

In fact, Lester did a spreadsheet about this, and I could be wrong, but from memory, no one actually paid the advertised price for their cabin? I think just about everyone paid less for their cabin and two parties were overcharged.

Regards,

Daniel.
 
What I'm wondering with this is what the profit and pricing set-ups where for the offices actually selling the tickets. Did they have any room to negotiate prices or offer different than advertised prices. My assumption would be that they would. Basically, utilizing a similar set-up as found today. The agency purchases the tickets then sells them themselves setting their own margin. Does anybody know this to be the case?
 
Thanks for that Daniel, I should have known this was already explained in your essay, but as it's been a long time since I last read it, I didn't recall this particular issue being raised. I must have sounded stupid then!
 
Still a rough draft. Shows fares paid [with Rail and room fares separate] and compares them with the advertised room rates. Done both as an overall and by room type. - Because of the file sizes, each page is in two parts.

Hope it may be of interest.

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Andrew,

While I don't know the exact particulars, I'm sure the travel agencies/offices did have room to negotiate prices. There must have been a 'lowest' price for each class below which tickets would have been sold at a loss, but prices above that could vary.

The lowest for first class was roughly 26 pounds. Of course some cabins cost more than that, but it seems almost no one paid the full price, so obviously so long as the offices were charging at least the minimum price and a little extra it seems to have done the trick.

I guess it's like modern hotels today. They could charge any price for their rooms, even a $1 if they wanted to. Howevere they must have a minimum price range for their rooms which vary depending on the type of room. So often you see hotel rooms advertised at say $200 a night, but people can get these same rooms through special agreements or promotions for less than that.

Same with airline tickets. How often have you logged onto the website of a certain airline and done a mock itinerary and the price comes up far more than you can get either from a travel agency or other discount on-line booking agencies.

I'm guessing that the same sort of situations existed in the days of ship travel.

Daniel.
 
Hello Lester
Thanks very much for sharing your research on advertised ticket prices etc.
I am sure once I have had time to study the details I will find it most enlightening!
Keep up the good work!!

Regards
Gordon
 
Thanks, Daniel....

That's pretty much what I would assume.

I wonder, as well, what effect the coal strike had on prices. Meaning, did it cause a higher volume than would have been expected, or was there a lower volume due to people not expecting to be able to travel so staying away from the ticket offices. I realize the strike was technically over at that point, but with people being transferred from other liners I would assume that volume was pretty low for the Titanic-specific ticket purchasers.
 
Hi, I'm a newby at this... please bear with me.

My great,great,great Uncle Algenon Barkworth boarded at Southampton on Wednesday 10th April 1912. He is not listed on the 'official' list of boarders at Southampton.. but had planned to spend a month in America. He's listed on the 'Cave' list of boarders at Southampton though? Was this a preferential service or he didn't want anyone to know he was aboard ? Any help/guesses would be appreciated
 
Hello Jeanette,

Welcome to encyclopedia-titanica.

I am not sure where you looked but your great, great, great Uncle is listed on the Southampton Boarding List BT 27/780B on the 2nd page of the 1st Class: British Passengers.
Below is a partial scan of the page.

I hope that helps,
Lester
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How accurate was the cabin allocation information on the Cave List as compared with other sources? I realise that the Cave List mentioned only some cabin numbers; but let us consider only those names mentioned in the list. More specifically, The Cave List has the Spencer couple in Cabin B-76 where as most other sources have them in B-78.
 
Lester Mitcham said:
Still a rough draft. Shows fares paid [with Rail and room fares separate] and compares them with the advertised room rates. Done both as an overall and by room type. - Because of the file sizes, each page is in two parts.

Hope it may be of interest.

<table border=1>[tr][td]View attachment 46881st Class - Fares&Room Numbers
1st Class - Fares & Room Numbers - part 1a.xls (32.3 k)[/td][/tr][/table]
<table border=1>[tr][td]View attachment 46891st Class - Fares&Room Numbers
1st Class - Fares & Room Numbers - part 1b.xls (28.7 k)[/td][/tr][/table]

<table border=1>[tr][td]View attachment 46901st Class - Fares&Room Numbers
1st Class - Fares & Room Numbers - part 2a.xls (26.6 k)[/td][/tr][/table]
<table border=1>[tr][td]View attachment 46911st Class - Fares&Room Numbers
1st Class - Fares & Room Numbers - part 2b.xls (26.6 k)[/td][/tr][/table]​
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I’m a little surprised... I’ve never seen a source suggesting that Fletcher Fellowes Lambert Williams was in cabin C-102? What evidence is there that he switched from C-128 to C-102?
 

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