Honor and Glory Clock Not Installed?

[RonJF2]

Hello all,

After reading OASOG again it is suggested that the famous clock wasn't installed before sailing and a mirror was put in it's stead. Is this factual or mere conjecture on the authors' parts? The more I read this book the more I think they are making assumptions for the sake of making "hot takes" as it is said in the sports world.

Regards,

Ron

 

[Thomas Krom]

Hello Ron,

There are some misconceptions about the claim, like where exactly the mirror was placed

It was recalled by Charles Wilson, the wood carver of the clock centrepiece Honour and Glory crowning time, that while the centrepiece-panel was installed the clock-face itself wasn't installed and instead a mirror was placed on it's spot when the ship left Belfast on the 2nd of April 1912.


Many people don’t know this but outside the small supplement of Harland and Wolff workmen she carried on-board during her delivery voyage, Southampton had it’s own mini Harland and Wolff just a couple yards to the Titanic her starboard side. It's believed in those six days in Southampton the workmen there installed the clock formally.

Hope this offers some insight and hope all is well.

With kind regards,

Thomas

 

[HelenaRibeiro]

Hello Ron,

There are some misconceptions about the claim, like where exactly the mirror was placed

It was recalled by Charles Wilson, the wood carver of the clock centrepiece Honour and Glory crowning time, that while the centrepiece-panel was installed the clock-face itself wasn't installed and instead a mirror was placed on it's spot when the ship left Belfast on the 2nd of April 1912.


Many people don’t know this but outside the small supplement of Harland and Wolff workmen she carried on-board during her delivery voyage, Southampton had it’s own mini Harland and Wolff just a couple yards to the Titanic her starboard side. It's believed in those six days in Southampton the workmen there installed the clock formally.

Hope this offers some insight and hope all is well.

With kind regards,

Thomas

I did not know about that last bit of information. Thank you for sharing it.

I don't recall if the Honor and Glory crowning time panel of the Olympic was sold as well or if it was kept by the company, until the end.

I do believe that a replica (absolutely gorgeous), is in the current museum in Southampton, but I may be mistaken.

 

[B-rad]

I never understood this argument. This clock was part of the Magneta clock system that was likely completed before Titanic's sea trials. Unless they decided not to include this clock, those complicated installment would have been given plenty of time to accomplish. The company would have no reason why they could not complete this task themselves, and I find it doubtful that H&W would be behind on their efforts to not allow its complete installation. But that's just my thoughts for what it's worth. Obviously my opinions are not proof.

 

[Michael H. Standart]

I never understood this argument. This clock was part of the Magneta clock system that was likely completed before Titanic's sea trials. Unless they decided not to include this clock, those complicated installment would have been given plenty of time to accomplish. The company would have no reason why they could not complete this task themselves, and I find it doubtful that H&W would be behind on their efforts to not allow its complete installation. But that's just my thoughts for what it's worth. Obviously my opinions are not proof.

All I can say is that with the delays they had been hit with, installation of the clock on the Grand Staircase may not have been considered a great priority. Not of some of the workers were needed somewhere else.

 

[HelenaRibeiro]

All I can say is that with the delays they had been hit with, installation of the clock on the Grand Staircase may not have been considered a great priority. Not of some of the workers were needed somewhere else.

I agree. They had many delays already, some which were more important to solve than the installation of a clock.

But, that's merely my opinion, of course.

 

[B-rad]

I believe the installation would have been carried out by the Magenta company. If it was, then I do not see how they would be bothered by anything that occured to the Olympic, unless the Hawke messed up something in its clock system.

If done by, or alongside, H&W electricians, Olympic's collision with the Hawke may have required some electrical repair, but it's throwing of a
propeller blade certainly did not, so that delay should not have been impactful.

It would be fantastic if some letter or company log book was found. Until then I suppose anyone's guess is as good as mine.

 

[Richard C Elliott]

I believe the installation would have been carried out by the Magenta company.

...or maybe even by the Magneta company?

 

[HelenaRibeiro]

...or maybe even by the Magneta company?

I hadn't even notice that

 

[PCash]

The carved panel in the museum in Southampton is the original 9taken from 'Olympic' when she was scrapped.

See: Sculpting the Clock | titanicclock

 

[HelenaRibeiro]

The carved panel in the museum in Southampton is the original 9taken from 'Olympic' when she was scrapped.

See: Sculpting the Clock | titanicclock

Thank you for the information. Only makes me want to travel there even more.