Last Log of the Titanic

Dave,

Long time, no talk...good to hear from you again. I'm afraid that "logometer" isn't an Americanism in this case. The name comes right off the face of the British-built gauge. I had never heard the term before, either (it was always just the "log" to me), until I saw a picture of the gauge in the Titanic exhibit.

Parks
 
Dave:
If "logometer" is an Americanism, "bandwagon" book must be an Australianism. Over here we might figuratively jump on a winning bandwagon, for instance. How is the term used down your way?
 
Re the "logometer."

Sounds like we have a case of a generic term versus a brand name. The generic name for the instrument is a taffrail log. This particular one may have been called a "Logometer" as a brand name for advertising purposes.

Trademark laws do not allow manufacturers to protect generic terms. If the maker of this particular instrument wanted to differentuate its products from other brands, it would have been required to invent a new descriptive word.

I'm betting that a "Logometer" is a particular brand of patent log.

-- David G. Brown
 
I guess if Parks saw it on the dial, it must be so. Perhaps the term never caught on. The log was actually a Walker Neptune, which was the version designed for fast ships.

A bandwagon in Oz is the same as in the US. I call crummy Titanic books that cashed in on the movie bandwagon books as a form of shorthand.
 
Just to keep the record straight, I need to clarify what I mentioned above. It is difficult to read the face of the gauge in the one photo I have seen. The gauge was described to me by Jim Harper, if I remember correctly, who actually saw the gauge at the Chicago exhibit. RMS Titanic, Inc. identifies the object as a logometer in their artifact log and makes a mention of it as such on their website. I thought I had seen the name on the face of the gauge, but the more I think about, the more it seems to me that I saw the name on the placard next to the gauge in the picture. Maybe the name is on the gauge, maybe not.

Parks
 
The Neptune log as I know it was marked Neptune Ship Log on the lower part of the face. I still think the term "logometer" is a recent invention.

Good to see another mariner join it. We sure need them!
 
As Jim described the gauge, there were two dials incorporated on the face, but that most markings/graduations were unreadable. I'll see if I can find out more through RMSTI. I would ask if somebody took pictures at the exhibit, but they don't allow cameras, do they?

Parks
 
There were three dials in all. There was a large outer one that read the miles up to 100. The two small dials showed, I think, tenths of miles on the left dial and hundreds of miles on the right. (From Royal Navy sources)
 
Many exhibits photograph everything in the exhibit prior to taking it out on the road. Some place it into books that are sold at the exhibits as mementos of the visit. But if you ask, there may be a photo on file or a website that displays what is available or there may be a purcahsebale book with that stuff in it.

Just some exhibit stuff, perhaps it can help.
Good to see you posting here Mr Gittins!
Maureen.
Also, Parks, did your lovely wife like the rose and dessert!?
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Thanks to all who posted on the logometer. Yes, it was in regards to the one at the exhibit in Chicago. I saw it there and it was labeled as a logometer by name plate only. It has been some time since I saw it, but I remember only one scale on the gauge and it was bearly readable.

Again, Thanks to All,
Gary
 
I'm almost finished reading "Last Log," it's a very enjoyable book. In fact, I almost couldn't put it down. I won't tell the story, but the book offers an entirely new and interesting perspective on William Murdoch, the "cool hand" First Officer, and his "port around" manuever. Interestingly, Dave postulates that the actual sinking of the ship was caused by Captain Smith and Bruce Ismay. If that's the case then a great injustice has been done to William Murdoch by the likes of virtually everyone who has reviewed, testified, or wrote about this disaster from the beginning.

Brown's description of Ismay is hilarious, and right on:

"Ismay was not a sailor, a naval architect, an engineer, or a shipbuilder. He was an aristocrat - - an inheritor of position - - in an era when amateurism was a British national passion. Robert Falcon Scott was about to march to an icy death in Antarctica for the same reason that Ismay was about to steam his ship into oblivion: the British belief in upper-class amateurs "muddling through" on their social superiority. Titanic represented twentieth-century technology bursting through those old ideas. This massive ship required large numbers of educated, skilled people making professional decisions beyond the capacity of well-intentioned amateurs. Ismay may have been an anachronism, but on this night he was still in charge."

How unfortunate for the passengers and crew.

Did many people die in Scott's group? Is it 10? Another one of these guys was Mallory, who died on Mount Everest (and whose still preserved body was discovered on the slopes last year). It's interesting to note, by contrast, that Ernest Shackleton, whose testimony Dave frequently refers to in his book, went on an Antartic expedition shortly thereafter (the Titanic disaster). His expedition failed, and his ship cracked up in the ice - - then Shackleton and his men had to find their own way back. He traveled some 800 miles in a lifeboat to get help, came back, and rescued all his men. The story is documented in his book "South." So a real hero who wasn't an Ismay-style British amateur was on the Plaintiff's side in the Titanic story. That says something in itself.

I wonder if Frederick Fleet made up this story about a "black berg" - - because the notion of a black berg suggests that it was more difficult to see, etc., and raises another excuse for Fleet and others to hide behind.

I can just see those guys now, 2,200 hundred people on board, in the night, zipping through the ice field with their fingers crossed - - I've found in my law practice that if you don't know what actually happened, and you imagine the worst possible scenario - - in the end, you discover that the worst scenario usually turns out to be what actually happened.

My compliments to Dave on his fine book.
 
Jan --

A thousand thanks for your kind words.

I don't believe that Fleet made up the story about the "dark mass." Objects of any color (even metallic) can appear quite dark at night when they are not illuminated, but there is something brighter behind them.

Again, thanks for buying and reading my book.

-- David G. Brown
 
Jan,

Law practice? How fast lawyers can jump on the bandwagon in sight of a tragedy in an attempt to crumble the witnesses as if everything they say is untrue. One can only know if they walked in their shoes.
In defense of Frederick Fleet, he performed his duties as best he could. He lived out the remainder of his life with the guilt of "What ifs"
that he could have changed. That guilt must have been unbearable that I cannot imagine. I am sure that it had played a part in his death. Within a year after the death of his wife, he commited suicide. And you make him out to be one of the villians behind the "Dark Mass".

May his soul rest in peace.
 
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