Mark Chirnside
Member
It is often thought that Olympic during the 1930s was in a bad condition. Expressions such as ‘severe fatigue,’ ‘cracking-up hull’ and ‘tired worn-out machinery’ are commonly used. Actually, from a brief check of the ssurveys she does not seem to have been in bad condition at all for a ship of her age. The main for this post is her general machinery. After the repairs to her rivets and hull cracks from 1930/1931, every passenger certificate was issued for twelve months as far as I know after limited examination at the moment.
Regarding the oft-cited opinion that her machinery was tired, which it wasn’t, and that Olympic could only make 20 knots by the 1930s, I have the following stated before and after repairs:
Now, that should sort the speculation. She was therefore capable of well over 20 knots. About 21½ was averaged westbound against the current even at an easy average of seventy-six revolutions. As quoted, it was stated full revolutions (normal full speed) revolutions will be 78 r.p.m., which equates to nearly 23 knots or more. Certainly I should think over 22 knots even against a heavy current, but Olympic had had some new propellers since her early years and so Titanic comparisons do not fit or prove much. True, white star did claim she could do 23 knots average on service after the ‘new engines’ but although it is reported she was not that good it is not mentioned that she had slowed significantly to 20. She was still averaging 22½ knots in 1930, but that is the latest log extract I have. The surveyor even notes 21½ knots at an easy pace. In the 1920s she averaged 23 knots on several times.
I remember in one forum it was said that Wards noted Olympic’s hull as ‘surprisingly sound’ in late 1935 when they had her., but do not have the exact source.
Now, back to other trouble: stern frame replacement and general cracking. I have the following quotes:
Following the hull repairs of cracking in superstructure and near aft expansion joint, 1930/1931, which were not major compared to those found in other ships of the time, it seems that Olympic’s surveys did not note any hull defects and were all issued for twelve months after a brief examination at present:
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‘The oil fuel system remains in very good condition. The boiler rooms are exceptionally clean…’ — Board of Trade, 1928
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‘The double bottom under the engines was very carefully and minutely examined in company with the senior ship surveyor and except for a few defective rivets, was found in satisfactory condition. The thrust blocks were lifted and the seatings examined with no weight on them, and it was found that a considerable number of rivets required renewal…
…all have been renewed at boiler construction standard all holes being reamered and a very careful inspection maintained to see that the rivets were a good fit through the entire length two additional stiffening brackets were fitted to the thrust seatings.’ — Board of Trade, December 1932.
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‘I made a careful inspection around the bedplates and choking when the vessel was last in Southampton, and I was unable to find any indications of movement, and I am of the opinion that these parts are substantially as good as ever they were… A declaration or twelve months…has been issued to the owners.’ — Board of Trade, May 10th 1933.
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‘The survey of this vessel for renewal of passenger certificate has been completed and a declaration of twelve months issued to the owners…
‘The bedplates of the main engines have been very carefully and minutely examined and in no case could any movement or defect be discovered…(Explanation of detailed mechanics) I am informed that at no time during the vessel’s history have these conditions been maintained for a like period.’ — Board of Trade, January 1934.
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‘It is almost sacrilege to destroy her after the performance she put up on this last voyage from Southampton,’ — Chief Engineer C. W. McKean. ‘I could have understood the necessity (of scrapping) if the “Old Lady” had lost her efficiency,’ he would tell a reporter, ‘but the engines are as sound as they ever were. Better, in fact, than when they were first installed in 1911.’ — October 1935.
Regarding the oft-cited opinion that her machinery was tired, which it wasn’t, and that Olympic could only make 20 knots by the 1930s, I have the following stated before and after repairs:
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The revolutions will be 78…The Olympic has now done three voyages to New York since the repairs were affected and on the last voyage the engines were run at 77 port and 75 starboard, giving an average speed of 21½ knots without the slightest trouble.’ — Board of Trade, May 1933.
Now, that should sort the speculation. She was therefore capable of well over 20 knots. About 21½ was averaged westbound against the current even at an easy average of seventy-six revolutions. As quoted, it was stated full revolutions (normal full speed) revolutions will be 78 r.p.m., which equates to nearly 23 knots or more. Certainly I should think over 22 knots even against a heavy current, but Olympic had had some new propellers since her early years and so Titanic comparisons do not fit or prove much. True, white star did claim she could do 23 knots average on service after the ‘new engines’ but although it is reported she was not that good it is not mentioned that she had slowed significantly to 20. She was still averaging 22½ knots in 1930, but that is the latest log extract I have. The surveyor even notes 21½ knots at an easy pace. In the 1920s she averaged 23 knots on several times.
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‘She will always be remembered for her magnificent war service and as a very fine-looking, reliable, comfortable and steady “old lady” — even though she was only twenty-four when taken out of service.,’ J. H. Isherwood wrote in Sea Breezes, February 1956. He continued: ‘Four years more and she might have been of enormous value to her country in World War II. Her hull was still as sound as a bell. But the great and rapid strides in marine engineering had made her uneconomical by modern standards and the slump rendered her redundant. The dreary flattened hulk towing up to Inverkeithing was, I think, rather specially pathetic. Besides being all that remained of a very proud ship, it brought back memories of the terrible disasters that had befallen her two sisters and was a symbol not only of the end of a ship but also of one of the greatest of transatlantic shipping companies.’
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‘Olympic’s hull was in excellent condition when she was scrapped.’ — ‘Majesty at Sea: The Four Stackers,’ 1981. (Wording rough.)
I remember in one forum it was said that Wards noted Olympic’s hull as ‘surprisingly sound’ in late 1935 when they had her., but do not have the exact source.
Now, back to other trouble: stern frame replacement and general cracking. I have the following quotes:
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‘The repairs to the sidescuttles in the bridge sheerstake and in the bow plating have proved efficient, but a further fracture in the latter has been repaired by welding…A few screw rivets in the stern frame over the apertures were found to need attention but otherwise the connections are satisfactory.’ — Board of Trade, 1928
Following the hull repairs of cracking in superstructure and near aft expansion joint, 1930/1931, which were not major compared to those found in other ships of the time, it seems that Olympic’s surveys did not note any hull defects and were all issued for twelve months after a brief examination at present:
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‘The survey of the Olympic for renewal of passenger certificate has been completed and a declaration of twelve months issued.’ — Board of Trade, 1933.