Smoking etiquette

Back in 1604, none other than King James I described smoking as "a custom loathsome to the eye, hateful to the nose, harmful to the brain, dangerous to the lungs, and in the black stinking fume thereof, nearest resembling the horrible Stigian smoke of the pit that is bottomless." He wasn't far wrong. What a pity we didn't listen! The first supporting views from the medical profession came not long after, but these were never more than suggestions that smoking might be harmful. Believe it or not, it was in 1912 that an American surgeon was the first to suggest a possible link with lung cancer. But it would be another 40 years before scientific evidence was available to establish the connection beyond much doubt.

Until then, few people believed that smoking was a major health risk, though everybody was familiar with the reality of the 'smoker's cough' and it was generally agreed that tobacco was potentially harmful to children; in England in 1912 it was illegal to sell it to a 'young person' under the age of 16. But a few years later during the Great War vast quantities of cigarettes were officially supplied as part of soldiers' rations, and even in military hospitals they were readily available as a morale booster.
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Could women smoke on Titanic in 1912. In some states in the USA it was illegal for women to smoke I believe and was also considered unladylike as well. Just curious. So could they or did they have to sneak around?
 
Here ya go, George:

 
Thanks Bob,

We Americans sure were a bunch of prudes back in the day. Not letting women smoke. Funny story my great-grandmother caught my dad smoking when he was 13 years old and said to him "I'm gonna do with you what my dad did with me when he caught me smoking." She made him smoke to packs of non filter cigarettes in a row non stop. It was four years before my dad ever touched a cigarette again. Smoking wasn't considered bad when my great-grandmother was young so I guess that as she was a woman or girl smoking was what upset her father.
 
Sashka, the link I posted above will take you to a thread specifically about 'women smoking'. Lots of interesting stuff there, including the Lily Elsie pic. And maybe an answer to your question, but it's a rather long thread and I can't recall all the content.
 
"Did anyone realise the dangers of smoking in 1912."

This advert is from the 1950's:

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So if they got away with that then, imagine what attitudes were like in 1912!

I remember running errands for my primary school teacher to the local shop for 20 Regal King Size in 1986, which he would then cheerfully puff away at while he taught us - damn good teacher he was too.

Unimaginable today - it is even illegal for steam engine enthusiasts to smoke in the cabins of their trains in the UK (it's okay for them to inhale huge lungfuls of smoke blowing back at them from the engine though!).

It is also technically illegal for me to smoke in my own car, which I paid a fortune for, because I use it for work the very odd time.

Also, actors can't smoke on stage even though the part may demand it.

This is all completely mental.
 

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Well, it's only mental because it's still legal. And I do agree.

There's a dreadful problem, isn't there, because the taxation on booze and f**s actually funds the National Health Service? I will die before long, being vilified, I know that; but I also know I will die funding the virtuous ... sportsmen and women, who will eventually need surgery for their catastrophic joints, arthritis etc. Oh well, never mind. They were good, and I wasn't. Oddly, I might have had more fun than they did.
 
I recall when I started teaching 16-19 year olds in the '70s there was an ashtray provided on every student's desk! It was about that time that they stopped selling ciggies alongside the sweets in the 'tuckshop' - but only because they encouraged burglaries after hours.
 
LOL! LOL!

Monica, you are absolutely right - smoking is the most mental thing of all. To think that it took four agonisingly awful, gut wrenching attempts to start smoking knowing full well that I could stop trying after the first, second or third one but then I persisted...crazy! Of course I had to look cool when I was 16 and my ruined health now wasn't even on the horizon then...

I still don't think people should be persecuted for doing it though.

Our teacher didn't have an ashtray at all, Bob. He just chucked them on the floor and stubbed them out with a shuffle of his foot - very understanding cleaners in those days...

Also, I remember finding a f** butt in my school dinner mashed potato once - I complained to the dinner lady, who frogmarched me down to the headmaster (who was my uncle) where I got whacked by him and was then given a thump by her on the way back to class. But it didn't do me any harm - kids need discipline!

I remember single cigarettes being sold at the local shop in one of those great big laminate sweet box things beside the till.

So you could scoop up a handful of chocolate mice (white of course), cola bottles, flying saucers and refreshers and a couple of smokes for 5p each (well you know how nice they are after a feed!).

However, it wasn't all anarchy - you only got served after taking off your school tie.
 
Typical dinner lady, Sam - no sense of humour. Anyone else would have said "Shut up, or they'll all want one!".

I'm smiling here wondering what our American readers will make of "A f** butt in the mashed potato",
 
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