Mr Isaac Frauenthal
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Titanic cameos
- Thread starter Matthew Chapman
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These are probably the Newell sisters? They are seen in lifeboat 6 helping to row and are clearly seen in the deleted scene, "boat 6 won't return"...
Thomas Krom
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Madeleine Newell (1880-1969) and Marjorie Anne Newell (1889-1992)
I would certainly say there is a bit of a resemblance from the quality of the screenshot.
Michael Hinz
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I doubt that this is Dr. Frauenthal. This extra appears in many scenes, sometimes alone, sometimes with a lady at his side. Since he is still on the boat deck shortly before the final sinking and he is also present in the "heaven sequence", I assume that he did not survive the sinking, which would exclude Dr Frauenthal.
Thomas Krom
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Perhaps he's meant to be Frank Manley Warren, he putted his wife in lifeboat number 5 and stayed on-board along with Engelhart Cornelius Østby despite the fact no one would objected if both would have gotten in.
James_1720
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This couple right here can be the smiths or the meyers...
Arun Vajpey
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One of the most ridiculous and unrealistic scenes in the 1958 film A Night To Remember is one towards the end. Just before the final plunge, a few First Class "gentlemen" were shown sitting nonchalantly at a table in the lounge while an even more nonchalant waiter poured wine into their goblets. If the scene was the director's idea to show how calm people were till the end, it is just plain stupid.
One of those gentlemen at the table was a stately middle aged man with a beard who was (yes, nonchalantly) reading a book. But he deigned to jerk his head up when a woman was heard to scream on the sloping deck outside. I wonder if he was meant to be W T Stead?
One of those gentlemen at the table was a stately middle aged man with a beard who was (yes, nonchalantly) reading a book. But he deigned to jerk his head up when a woman was heard to scream on the sloping deck outside. I wonder if he was meant to be W T Stead?
Michael Hinz
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Hello Arun,
sorry for my late answer. I think you mean this gentleman. He is most likely supposed to be William Thomas Stead. In Walter Lords book A night to remember it is written that Mr Stead was last seen sitting in the smoking room reading a book. I'm afraid I don't know of which survivors this statement is based on. I know that Mr Stead was seen by his bedroom steward who helped him to put his lifebelt on. Later he was seen by Algernon Barkworth on the boat deck.
In the same scene we see four gentlemen playing cards. One of the gentlemen is Mr Yates/Rogers, a gambler, who was never on the Titanic. In this scene he is writing a letter, that he gives to a woman who is boarding one of the last lifeboats...
sorry for my late answer. I think you mean this gentleman. He is most likely supposed to be William Thomas Stead. In Walter Lords book A night to remember it is written that Mr Stead was last seen sitting in the smoking room reading a book. I'm afraid I don't know of which survivors this statement is based on. I know that Mr Stead was seen by his bedroom steward who helped him to put his lifebelt on. Later he was seen by Algernon Barkworth on the boat deck.
In the same scene we see four gentlemen playing cards. One of the gentlemen is Mr Yates/Rogers, a gambler, who was never on the Titanic. In this scene he is writing a letter, that he gives to a woman who is boarding one of the last lifeboats...
Arun Vajpey
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Danke, Michael. Yes, that was the gentleman I was referring to and in that scene. I can believe that a scenario similar to it could have taken place about an hour earlier than it was depicted but definitely not that late despite what witnesses claimed.
TheSinkIsShipping1
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Could he be Emil Taussig?
TheSinkIsShipping1
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I think I've discovered William Ernst Carter in the 1997 film, played by an actor that was uncredited
I'm not sure
Eric Paddon
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"Yates/Rogers" is also seen again after the sinking unable to get on Collapsible B because there's not enough space and he decides to swim off. Lightoller calls after him to come back (since earlier in the film he's established as the one who knows who he is) but he disappears and is never seen again.
Michael Hinz
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These are two different actors. The gentlemen in the gymnasium is the one I identified as first class passenger Edward Kent. I cant see why this gentlemen should be Mr Carter. He always appears alone, without wife or children and is last seen in the grand staircase climbing up the stairs as the water floods the room. He dies in the sinking and is seen in the heaven sequence.
The gentlemen you saw at boat C could be Mr Carter. He is sitting right to Mr Ismay.
TheSinkIsShipping1
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Okay. I didn't see him in Heaven, plus during the sinking he allegedly abandoned his wife and kids, so I wasn't thinking about that. Also, the guy in Boat C has no moustache, while the actor Toby Dallas does.
Michael Hinz
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In the heaven sequence he is seen behind the bandmen. Actually I found nothing about an actor named Toby Dallas so I am not even sure if this first class passenger was really played by a man named Toby Dallas...
