Haashir Ahmad
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Just when I first realized how desperately serious things were I don't know, but I do know that before many boats were away I got to piling more and more people into them;
Thanks James for the quote from "I was there" - I've heard it many times but had never thought to write it down.
This is a refreshing thread after the many attacking Lights.
I went back to my notes and came across this, which is also relevant to the whole sorry story of the sinking:
"Mr William Henry Taylor…prior to signing onto the Titanic had served on the Orotava. He was rescued in Lifeboat 15 and later testified before the US Senate Inquiry.
...He was also one of many who said they saw another ship's light in the distance which did not come to render aid. He added, later, that there was a lot of joking and 'skylarking' about the Titanic, even after it struck the iceberg. He simply stated it was understood among the crew that there was nothing to fear, the ship was unsinkable."
Although it is a popular story that Captain Smith made the arrangement of Wilde to become chief officer of the Titanic we know from personal letters that Wilde knew he was going aboard Titanic as early as the 30th of March, 1912 while he was still aboard the Olympic. Additionally, he received a telegram from Liverpool headquarters at 2.30pm on the 9th of April. So, while captain Smith may have been involved in the decision making process, the evidence is that it ultimately came from the White Star Line management in Liverpool.I would guess he would have confided in Wilde, since as well as being C/O he brought him over from Olympic and removed Blair from the Ship.
The note in question appeared to have been an order and not a message, since chief engineer Bell responded that he would get it done as soon as possible.Bell would know the ship pretty well, and Smith did send a note down to him so I am enclined to believe he knew the severity of the damage.
Fourth officer Boxhall is the only officer of whom we certainly know that captain Smith told him about the seriousness of the situation, the rest of the surviving officers' made no mention that they were told about it.Back to my main question, who knew, within roughly ten minutes of Smith and Andrews the ship was doomed?
Without any orders the assistant manager of the electrical works of Harland and Wolff William Henry Marsh Parr and the outside foreman of the engine works Anthony Wood Frost went to assist chief electrician Peter Sloan and his men at the main feeder switchboard. There is a chance that during the damage inspection Thomas Andrews Jr bumped into either Mr. Parr or Mr. Chisholm and told him about how serious the situation was.Would Andrews consult the rest of the guarantee group?
Mr. Ismay mentioned that he didn't saw Thomas Andrews Jr at all during the sinking. When captain Smith returned from his second damage inspection he, purser McElroy and Dr. O'Loughlin went to the stateroom of Mr. Ismay (B-52 in the Louis XVI style, B-54 in the Empire style and B-56 in the Harland and Wolff bedroom A style) as witnessed by first class stewardesses Gold (who had her cabin on B-deck along with fellow first class stewardess Martin) and Jessop (who was making her way up). A surviving member of the Baxter family also told that Quigg Baxter spoke to captain Smith and Mr. Ismay just outside his mother's stateroom (B-58 in the Louis XVI style). First class stewardesses Kate Gold overheard Captain Smith say to Mr. Ismay:Was Ismay present at this conversation?
Hello James,Nice to hear from you Thomas, it has been a while. I thoroughly appreciate your answers to the questions posed.
While things are going better, with putting all the positive energy into it that the upcoming year will be better in every way then July 2021 to July 2022, I do have bumped into a bit of a wall at my attempt to finally find some closure on the disappearance of Kate. The disappearance of the brightest star in my life, to whom I own every heartbeat and breath of air in my lungs considering she saved my life, still haunts me each day.I hope that things are going better for you now, given what you had been going through last year.
The last transmission may have been transmitted ten minutes before, at 2:07 a.m. It was a general CQD MGY call, according to Harold Bride. However, no one answered. Phillips and Harold Bride unsure that they were still transmitting, abandoned the wireless room.I'm pretty certain that Senior Wireless Operator Phillips stayed at his post until the very, very end, even after the "Every man" order was given. The last Wireless transmission was received--although jarbled, by I am pretty sure the Virginia at 2.17am to give an idea as to just how fine he cut it.
Lights was incorrect; he makes the story sound very convincing but yet, there isn't a shred of evidence to support it. According to Bride, Philips was last seen walking aft. Bride never actually saw Philips on the upturned Collapsible B, he was only told. I recommend reading through this link, for more information: The Fate of Jack PhilipsI am sure Lightoller said Phillips made it Collapsible B but succumbed to exposure in the water before they reached the Carpathia.
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