Attractive and Ugly Cruise Ships

Zenith. Once a year, I like to recreate the New York/Hamilton vacation route of the Furness liners Monarch and Queen of Bermuda. I recently received word, from a friend of mine whose tastes~ and inability to suffer fools in silence~ parallel mine, that things aboard her are 'not as they once were' but I'm heading into this with a positive attitude AND one of the stern view cabins that I have avoided, for reasons previously stated, since around 1991.
 
"I'm booked into a stern view cabin on a voyayge at the end of this month, and so will better be able to report on what it is like to occupy one. The view, no doubt, will be spectacular, but there are the dual problems of vibration and pitch about which to wonder."

Not to mention privacy issues, either! This is more of a problem on QM2 because of 2 pools and a restaurant all in the aft section, but imagine sitting on your balcony where people sitting at the pool can just look up at whatever you're doing. That shouldn't be much of a problem on Zenith, though--you'd only be looking onto a little bit of deck. On the first and only cruise I went on a month ago, I was in an inside stateroom with my family on the lowest deck on the mid section of the ship, so I don't really know how it feels to fall asleep to the rocking of the ship. I might be wrong, but a little bit of swaying might be relaxing--almost like a hammock!

-Adam Lang
 
I had an aft outside cabin overlooking a public deck on a recent 17-night crossing/cruise.

When the QM2 made her debut, people were furious that some of the most pricey cabins overlooked public decks, and the cry went out "but people can see you!!"

So?

What are you planning on doing where you can't stand the thought of being in someone's eyesight? Napping in your deck chair? Reading?
Or....?
Privacy issues are strictly a matter of a state of mind.
Afterall, do some people really think that they are so special that other passengers are going to feel compelled to stop and stare?

Other than the ocassional passing glance, the truth is nobody is interested, nobody cares.

As far as cabin motion aft, on this crossing, there hardly was any, and no vibration whatsoever. This was an Atlantic crossing, but the seas were unusually calm.
 
I agree with you there Kyle. If anyone is staring into the QM2's duplex apartments, they are most likely looking curiously at the accommodations and probably looking right past the rich old CEO or oil prince who are just about the only ones able to afford such luxury.
 
I think it's more about being secluded than an issue of privacy. That being said, I'd like to re-word my statement above to that matter. People buy balcony rooms to have their own little spot to read, nap, etc. that's away from the hussle on the public decks. Sure, anyone could sit in a deck chair by the pool, but people like their balcony rooms because they are quiet, secluded, and peaceful (given that you don't have noisy neighbors).

So when a person buys a cabin on an aft deck and see a pool and loads of other people moving around and making noise, that's just like sitting by the pool, which wouldn't be the reason to by a balcony room.

I'm not saying aft rooms are terrible, if my description is a bet exaturated. I really wouldn't mind one very much, but I'd still definitely prefer a quieter room on the side of the ship. Also, I was referring to the QM2 and other ships with a lot of aft deck space. An aft room on any other ship (like the Zenith) would be a lot quiter, given it's lack of a pool.

-Adam Lang
 
>When the QM2 made her debut, people were furious that some of the most pricey cabins overlooked public decks, and the cry went out "but people can see you!!"

Kyle, my friend, there is more to it than that. Mike and I, on an evening walk, watched an occupant of one of the suites in a state of...well....what the Victorians called 'naturalness,' choosing an outfit for the evening. I gave a G-rated account of it on the Maiden Voyage thread. And, NO we were NOT looking, but when you come up the steps to the terrace you are eye to eye with the suite windows, unless you travel with eyes demurely downcast.


The fact is, if you rent the suites you have the choice of A) drawing the shades and effectively eliminating that for which you chose the suite, or B) doing NOTHING in your cabin that you dont want the people on the Todd English Terrace witnessing. If you enjoy COMPLETE formality and habitually emerge from your bathroom fully dressed, and if you sleep in pajamas, and if listening to "Hot Hot Hot" blaring 8 times a day for seven straight days doesnt inspire you to retch, then the suites' location is not so bad.
 
That's right..."IF" you rent the suites..."
don't book the suite if it's a problem.
or pull the drapes when you are in a "delicate" situation. Then open them when you are decent.
Is that so much of an inconvenience?

For those who want or need total seclusion, just don't book such a suite.

I find it hard to believe that anyone, even on the QM2 maiden voyage, with no shortage of photographs of the ship and easily obtainable deck plans, would book themselves into such a suite under complete ignorance that the suite is in close proximity to and in view of and earshot of public areas.


As for myself...Yes, I DID dress in my bathroom knowing that my cabin was in full view of those passing on the adjacent deck. Or, I could have chosen to close the drapes while changing clothes. Simple.
At night, there's nothing to look out the window at anyway, so I pulled the drapes closed. No problem. It didn't bother me a bit.
For me, the very close proximity to public areas was a huge plus in choosing that cabin.
I always had the option of NOT booking it.

Joe Millionaire in his ultra-deluxe luxury suite can probably figure the same thing out.

Oh Jim, let's not bicker... ;)
 
Kyle: the earrings are coming off!

Let's face it- it is stupid to design any room, regardless of price, in which the occupants have the choice of either keeping the drapes closed 24/7 or becoming an alternative to the softporn one can order in-cabin. Unless one is one of those scarred beings who showers wearing clothing and only gets changed in the dark, there ARE moments where one finds oneself minimally attired around the cabin. Similarly, unless one was blessed with a mother like Piper Laurie in Carrie, there are the occasional in cabin....visitors.....and some people just have some wretched behind closed doors habits~ nail biting, nose picking, air guitar playing~ that are best left unseen by the general public. Who wants to pay $40,000 to spend a week hiding behind closed drapes or listening to Hot Hot Hot?

Placing the suites ABOVE the restaurant terrace rather than below it was just asinine.
 
Jim, Kyle, I remember fondly the scenes on the Queen Mary 2, during the Hawaii Excursion.
When they held the parties on the Deck 8 Pool Terrace, the people in the 3 suites were out on their terrace areas viewing everything, so they knew, full well, how visible they were, to everyone. Fortunately, those people appeared to be discreet in everything.

The other "trade-off" I got to endure was having lunch at Todd English; I call it a "trade-off", since the lunch atmosphere is casual (no problem with polo shirts and shorts), but it was "interesting" to see people out by the pool area, sunning themselves.
That, IMO, is one reason why the Todd English on the Queen Victoria will be lower down on the ship, away from the Deck spaces.

The other thing passengers have to remember is that when you have an upper-level balcony cabin, the glass and railings do not act as a two-way mirror for them.
That was borne out, during the ship's final approach to Honolulu. On Deck 8, one couple came out on their terrace, with the man wearing only his briefs. I think the wife had to remind him to put on a robe, as she noticed many people gathering below on Deck 7.

Jim, Kyle, I hope you did not endure similar scenes during your recent trips on the Queen Mary 2.

If I had one of those expensive, but non-private cabins, I would probably make very good use of the robes provided by Cunard, and know when to draw the shades.
 
>but it was "interesting" to see people out by the pool area, sunning themselves.

"Interesting" is one way of putting it! We had a window side table, and a view of something so indescribably horrific in one of the poolside showers that two an a half years later I still wake up with night sweats when I think of it
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>If I had one of those expensive, but non-private cabins, I would probably make very good use of the robes provided by Cunard, and know when to draw the shades.

So would I, but the point is neither of us should HAVE to! Stacking the suites one deck higher, or placing Todd English aft of the funnel would have made more sense. Much like the inaccessible Queen's Room and the impossible to enter except through the Queen's Room disco, the too visible suites are part of the liner's odd charm.

>I find it hard to believe that anyone, even on the QM2 maiden voyage, with no shortage of photographs of the ship and easily obtainable deck plans, would book themselves into such a suite under complete ignorance that the suite is in close proximity to and in view of and earshot of public areas.

The catalogues went out of their way NOT to include the view from the suites and, to be fair, I dont think that anyone who booked them realised quite how....exposed....they really are. It is like the view from the hull-hole "balconies." They were advertised pre-introduction simply as "balconies." Many passengers were NOT pleased by the maiden voyage discoveries that the view from the balcony vanishes behind a steel wall as soon as one sits down and that the size of the cut-out makes the sittng area rather shady at times. We liked ours, but many did not.

Of course, there IS the trade off of the elegant private deck for suite class passengers. You remember~ the one with two public staircases running through it and the classy black and white photocopied "Private Deck" signs intended, futiley, to keep the constant flow of people up and down the stairs from crossing over.
 
I definitely agree with Jim on the fact that for $40,000+ dollars, you shouldn't HAVE TO worry about closing your shades and looking decent. For the amount of money paid, one would expect to find the location of the suite to be the best on the ship! Think of the Parlor Suites on the Olympic-class ships--in the middle of the ship where the ride is smoothest, very close to the elevators, and in a secluded area where you won't be bothered by passers-by or a calypso band.

A better location for the duplexes might be up front where the Queen Mary and Elizabeth Suites were. They had unarguably some of the best views from the ship. Although that specific area doesn't seem like it would be too calm during a storm, it's another "trade-off" as John put it. The elevator access to the room is also another reason the duplexes should be there. Why have private elevator access to a room that's less expensive than one without one? I think the Mary and Elizabeth Suites are the most bang for the buck.

-Adam Lang
 
What's there to worry about? For several thousand $$$ more just get a suite that IS fully private. ;)

Nowadays, the most expensive suites are never found at the "best" location of the ship for a cabin, which is low down and midships. They're usually up high and forward or aft.

And the Todd English Floor Show...sounds like a comedy rather than a tragedy.

*sigh* I guess I just don't worry about the same things other people do...
 
Weren't the two most expensive cabins on the Normandie equally as exposed to the lower classes? Maybe this was another homage to the Normandie like the bow? ;)
 
"Weren't the two most expensive cabins on the Normandie equally as exposed to the lower classes? Maybe this was another homage to the Normandie like the bow? ;)"

Hmm, interesting thought, but it would be a very subtle homage if it was. I think it was mainly just to add to the classic appearance of it. Cunard would put the suites in a location where they thought they would be best before making the stern look similar to that of another ship, although I don't really agree with Cunard's thoughts on where the duplexes would be best, as stated in my previous posts.

-Adam Lang
 
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