Andrew Maheux
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Hitchens, sounds like he's got a nasty temper.
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Did any passengers ever break the law?
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Phillip Gowan
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Hi Andrew,
While I'd never dispute that Hichens had a temper, in conversations with family members and viewing certain items (like a love letter to his wife after their first date), I've also seen another side of him. He did have a kind, compassionate and caring side to him as well. And one of the descendants gave me some really good quotes from him that deal with his opinion in later years of his encounter with Molly Brown. Another instance of there always being two sides to every story.
More to come--
Phil
While I'd never dispute that Hichens had a temper, in conversations with family members and viewing certain items (like a love letter to his wife after their first date), I've also seen another side of him. He did have a kind, compassionate and caring side to him as well. And one of the descendants gave me some really good quotes from him that deal with his opinion in later years of his encounter with Molly Brown. Another instance of there always being two sides to every story.
More to come--
Phil
Darren Honeycutt
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Thanks Phil. I find it strange that this story can still be perpetuated after all these years. Especially with Mrs. Cleavers family still living. One of my favorite books also tells of this untrue tale, Judith Geller's Women and Childen First. This seems like very poor research on her part. Has Alice Cleavers family ever taken legal action against any of this false information?
Phillip Gowan
RIP
Hey Darren,
Well, as a matter of fact they did try to take legal action but the suit was later dropped-I don't know any details. Don Lynch has been vilified for publishing the incorrect information and not verifying that his research was correct. But I've always found the silence concerning Judith Geller's propagating of the same information (misinformation) intriguing. This is a case of using incorrect information gleaned from another without verifying the information by one's own research.
Take care,
Phil
Well, as a matter of fact they did try to take legal action but the suit was later dropped-I don't know any details. Don Lynch has been vilified for publishing the incorrect information and not verifying that his research was correct. But I've always found the silence concerning Judith Geller's propagating of the same information (misinformation) intriguing. This is a case of using incorrect information gleaned from another without verifying the information by one's own research.
Take care,
Phil
Andrew Maheux
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Hi Phil,
Very interesting stuff, I look forward to hearing more when your research article comes out.
Best Regards,
Andrew
Very interesting stuff, I look forward to hearing more when your research article comes out.
Best Regards,
Andrew
Amanda Ratliff
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So far as I can see scandle is what sells, especially during the guilded age. That's probably why the Alice Cleaver Murders have lived on so long.
Michael H. Standart
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Scandal seems to sell quite well these days too. I guess some things are timeless.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Andrew Maheux
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What about Dorothy Gibson? Didnt she accidently(sp?) kill a man while recklessly (sp?) driving around New York in an Auto belonging to Jules Brulatour (sp?). Who was this man? and did she get arrested for it?
Andrew Maheux
Andrew Maheux
Randy Bryan Bigham
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Andrew,
Phil Gowan has more info on Dorothy that will probably astound us all. But yes she was involved in a car accident. She ran over and killed a pedestrian while driving her lover Jules Brulatour's car. The resultant law suit brought out the truth of their affair but they weren't married till 1917. By standards then, Miss Dot was not a nice gal. We'll just have to wait though to find out how bad she really was.
Randy
Phil Gowan has more info on Dorothy that will probably astound us all. But yes she was involved in a car accident. She ran over and killed a pedestrian while driving her lover Jules Brulatour's car. The resultant law suit brought out the truth of their affair but they weren't married till 1917. By standards then, Miss Dot was not a nice gal. We'll just have to wait though to find out how bad she really was.
Randy
Phillip Gowan
RIP
Bad, really bad.
Colleen Collier
Member
Oh, I hate it whan you do that Phil!!
. Isn't she the buffalo chewing on a wasp from last years Halloween scare? (Just trying to keep up with the people here.)
Colleen
Colleen
Phillip Gowan
RIP
No, Edith Russell is the buffalo chewing on a wasp. Dorothy Gibson is a cross between Olivia DeHavilland and an Afghan succubus.
Phillip Gowan
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PS: And yes, she was arrested. More than once.
Phil
Phil
Randy Bryan Bigham
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Is that a bow on her dress or was she being attacked by a giant killer butterfly? Perhaps that's why she looks to be in such pain. Either that or her conscience was really bothering her that day.
Robert Falange
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Ben's reference to William T Stead's radical opinions caused me to look him up on this site, with hilarious results!
Have you all seen the animation of Mr Stead's "characteristic gestures"? It seems the poor man was in the habit of continuously revolving around whilst apparently clicking his fingers to the beat.
Obviously some new (albeit boring) 1912 dance routine!
cheers,
bob
(Message edited by bobfalange on March 31, 2002)
Have you all seen the animation of Mr Stead's "characteristic gestures"? It seems the poor man was in the habit of continuously revolving around whilst apparently clicking his fingers to the beat.
Obviously some new (albeit boring) 1912 dance routine!
cheers,
bob
(Message edited by bobfalange on March 31, 2002)
