Gaston Sam
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I'd say you've got itWhat do you think about Frank Dymond (36 years old) for #15?
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Identifying crew in photos
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Michael Hinz
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Then it could be Frederick Scott (28 years). Other firemen and trimmers without known photographs are:
Frederick Harris (39 years)
Charles Othen (36 years)
Harry Oliver (41 years)
John Haggan (35 years)
Henry Sparkman (36 years)
Edward Flaherty (52 years)
James McGann (29 years) was hospitalized after his rescue so he is probably not in the picture.
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Michael Hinz
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Do you think #35 could be a steward? The single golden button at his jacket caught my attention. And how tall could this man be?
Gaston Sam
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#35 is definitely a stoker. Note the neckerchief he's wearing, it was used by men working in boiler rooms to soak up sweat and clean soot on themselves.
I judge #35 to be about 5' 5½" tall.
Gaston Sam
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From the unknown firemen and trimmers, I've judged the oldest one (i.e. Edward Flaherty) could probably be this one:
Michael Hinz
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Actually I thought about Harry Senior again but Edward Flaherty is also a good choice.
Paul Burrell
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I agree with Flaherty and have also been cross referencing the same photo and it has been helpful.
Excuse my primitive use of IT but for me this is progress!
1- Couper and Pearce are sat next to each other.
2 - Flaherty is sitting next to a chap who I think is #8 on the stairs photo. This view of #8 might help us get an ID for him. At the end of this row could be James Crimmins.
3 - An AB is sitting apart from his colleagues. Hemming, perhaps?
Gaston Sam
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Hi Paul. Regarding the young fellow next to our hypothetical Flaherty, I've always thought it was fireman George Kemish.
Honestly, I haven't linked him to #8 guy as the latter lacks that jacket the other has, but they do look similar.
Honestly, I haven't linked him to #8 guy as the latter lacks that jacket the other has, but they do look similar.
Michael Hinz
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Good observation, Paul!
Gaston Sam
Member
Regarding the solitary AB, I don't really think he's Hemming. It would be noticeable if it was him given his very short stature. But I do think it is quite possible that man could be AB #2 in the stairs photo.
So if that was the case, he wouldn't be Weller, as the man seems to have less hair than what Weller would have had by that time. So, maybe Anderson? It is also possible he's window cleaner William Harder (aged 39), and in that case it wouldn't surprise me he was sitting appart from the rest of the Deck Crew.
So if that was the case, he wouldn't be Weller, as the man seems to have less hair than what Weller would have had by that time. So, maybe Anderson? It is also possible he's window cleaner William Harder (aged 39), and in that case it wouldn't surprise me he was sitting appart from the rest of the Deck Crew.
Gaston Sam
Member
By the way, there is another version of that photo taken from a slightly different angle and which shows some more men in the room. Only in that one you can see another man sitting whom I believe is possibly Hemming.
I'll try to restore some of the photos so we work better on them.
I've recently restored Philip Vigott's photograph, who I also think is in that other version of the large group photograph.
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I'll try to restore some of the photos so we work better on them.
I've recently restored Philip Vigott's photograph, who I also think is in that other version of the large group photograph.
Philip Francis Vigott
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/philip-francis-vigott.html
www.encyclopedia-titanica.org
Michael Hinz
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Good observation. Harder looks like the man who is sitting away from the rest of the deck department but not really like #2 on the stairs. I just asked me one question: Would a window cleaner really wear a sailors uniform? William Harder never worked as an AB on a ship. In fact, Titanic was his first ship.
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Michael Hinz
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It is great that you found Hemming in the picture. I am sure that it is him.By the way, there is another version of that photo taken from a slightly different angle and which shows some more men in the room. Only in that one you can see another man sitting whom I believe is possibly Hemming.
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I'll try to restore some of the photos so we work better on them.
I've recently restored Philip Vigott's photograph, who I also think is in that other version of the large group photograph.
Philip Francis Vigott
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/philip-francis-vigott.html
Gaston Sam
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Yes, he would. In fact, many of the sailors believed he was another AB (from Scarrott's testimony).
Michael Hinz
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Are there any sailors in the picture who could not be identified and who could be Anderson and Foley?
