Identifying crew in photos

Could you give the men on the stairs numbers please? I already have ideas for some men, but I dont know what number to give them :)
Sorry for not keeping the pace.
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As you'll see, I left a couple men unnumbered, because of the shadows making it extremely difficult to work on them. So they may later have their own appendix, if possible.
 
Sorry for not keeping the pace.
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As you'll see, I left a couple men unnumbered, because of the shadows making it extremely difficult to work on them. So they may later have their own appendix, if possible.

Hi Sam, Michael



Thank you for the numbers for the stairs photo. I have been looking at this photo for some time and it is good to now be able to put my thoughts down on paper, so to speak. I am looking forward to collaborating on this one.



A blank indicates I have no potential candidate.



A name but no additional comment indicates either a positive ID or a high degree of certainty about who the person is.



Again, apologies for not being able to provide side by side photos.



1 - I think I have seen elsewhere that someone has identified this guy as Walter Fredericks. It looks a good match.

2 -

3 - Having first seen this photo in a lower resolution, it looked like Jacob Gibbons. However, in a better resolution I think this could be Walter Perkis. The all black outfit matches a quartermasters uniform. This is a perfect example of the pitfalls of trying to identify individual characteristics in photos from 1912!

4 -

5 - Henry Noss.

6 - I think this could be Eustace Snow. This is a young man and his age (21) and features seem to fit.

7 - A likeness to James Crimmins, I think.

8 -

9 - This face is quite distinctive. He looks just like Albert Self.

10 - Reginald Lee.

11 - This looks very much like Sam (John) Collins.

12 -

13 - John Pearce fits the bill. This is an older gentleman. Pearce was 33 years old. Plus the prominent chin and large ears are a good fit.

14 -

15 - This guy is quite distinctive which makes me think there is no photo available for him to compare to.

16 - Whilst I have some reservations, this does look like James Johnstone. The chap on the stairs does not look 52 but neither does the fella carrying Bride down the gangway with Haines. Unusually for the time where most look older than their age, maybe Johnstone was a (very) young looking 52 years old.

17 -

18 - This looks like 19 year old Edgar Perry. This is a young man and the shape of the mouth in particular suits Edgar Perry.

19 -

20 - Walter Hurst, perhaps, the shape of his mouth and nose fits.

21 - I think this is Albert Hunt. To support this theory, it would make sense for him to be standing next to his brother in law, William Hebb.

22 - This guy is about the right age and has a similar look to William Hebb.

23 - I agree with the ID of George Taylor.

24 - I reckon that this chap has his right hand on Frank Port’s right shoulder. That would lead me to believe they are close colleagues. He is an older gentleman. There are a number of candidates in the victualling department so could be Frederick Dent Ray or Willian Faulkner. I ruled out Andrew Cunningham as he is 5’11.

25 - William White.

26 -

27 -

28 -

29 - Percy Ball.

30 - Frank Port.

31 - Isaac Maynard.

32 - Albert Fryer.

33 - This could be George Godley, the face shape fits. There is no height available for him.

34 - Robert Couper.

35 - Could this perhaps be another candidate for Frank Kaspar? I am basing that solely on the flaky assumption that he does not look English and I cannot otherwise identify him.

36 - Given that (i) I agree with you, Sam, that 34 is Robert Couper and (ii) we do not have a height for Frederick Doel, I think that this chap at 36 is a good candidate for Frederick Doel.

37 - This is our candidate for Albert Pearcey/Wilfred Foley, which we have already discussed.

38 - Leo Hyland.

39 - Joseph Wheat.

40 - This could be another crew member without a photo to identify him by.
 
Hi Sam, Michael



Thank you for the numbers for the stairs photo. I have been looking at this photo for some time and it is good to now be able to put my thoughts down on paper, so to speak. I am looking forward to collaborating on this one.



A blank indicates I have no potential candidate.



A name but no additional comment indicates either a positive ID or a high degree of certainty about who the person is.



Again, apologies for not being able to provide side by side photos.



1 - I think I have seen elsewhere that someone has identified this guy as Walter Fredericks. It looks a good match.

2 -

3 - Having first seen this photo in a lower resolution, it looked like Jacob Gibbons. However, in a better resolution I think this could be Walter Perkis. The all black outfit matches a quartermasters uniform. This is a perfect example of the pitfalls of trying to identify individual characteristics in photos from 1912!

4 -

5 - Henry Noss.

6 - I think this could be Eustace Snow. This is a young man and his age (21) and features seem to fit.

7 - A likeness to James Crimmins, I think.

8 -

9 - This face is quite distinctive. He looks just like Albert Self.

10 - Reginald Lee.

11 - This looks very much like Sam (John) Collins.

12 -

13 - John Pearce fits the bill. This is an older gentleman. Pearce was 33 years old. Plus the prominent chin and large ears are a good fit.

14 -

15 - This guy is quite distinctive which makes me think there is no photo available for him to compare to.

16 - Whilst I have some reservations, this does look like James Johnstone. The chap on the stairs does not look 52 but neither does the fella carrying Bride down the gangway with Haines. Unusually for the time where most look older than their age, maybe Johnstone was a (very) young looking 52 years old.

17 -

18 - This looks like 19 year old Edgar Perry. This is a young man and the shape of the mouth in particular suits Edgar Perry.

19 -

20 - Walter Hurst, perhaps, the shape of his mouth and nose fits.

21 - I think this is Albert Hunt. To support this theory, it would make sense for him to be standing next to his brother in law, William Hebb.

22 - This guy is about the right age and has a similar look to William Hebb.

23 - I agree with the ID of George Taylor.

24 - I reckon that this chap has his right hand on Frank Port’s right shoulder. That would lead me to believe they are close colleagues. He is an older gentleman. There are a number of candidates in the victualling department so could be Frederick Dent Ray or Willian Faulkner. I ruled out Andrew Cunningham as he is 5’11.

25 - William White.

26 -

27 -

28 -

29 - Percy Ball.

30 - Frank Port.

31 - Isaac Maynard.

32 - Albert Fryer.

33 - This could be George Godley, the face shape fits. There is no height available for him.

34 - Robert Couper.

35 - Could this perhaps be another candidate for Frank Kaspar? I am basing that solely on the flaky assumption that he does not look English and I cannot otherwise identify him.

36 - Given that (i) I agree with you, Sam, that 34 is Robert Couper and (ii) we do not have a height for Frederick Doel, I think that this chap at 36 is a good candidate for Frederick Doel.

37 - This is our candidate for Albert Pearcey/Wilfred Foley, which we have already discussed.

38 - Leo Hyland.

39 - Joseph Wheat.

40 - This could be another crew member without a photo to identify him by.

Hello Paul! Great work, I will show you my thoughts now. I agree with a lot of your candidates :)

1 - Walter Fredericks
2 - Maybe George Prangnell?
3 -
4 -
5 - Henry Noss
6 -
7 - Maybe Ernest Frederick Allen?
8 -
9 - Albert Self
10 - Reginald Lee. No doubt.
11 -
12 -
13 - Probably John Edward Hart.
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14 -
15 - Frank Dymond?
16 -
17 - Andrew Simmons or Thomas Knowles?
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18 - Definetily Edgar Lionel Perry
19 - Maybe Thomas Street?
20 -
21 - Albert Hunt
22 - Another candidate that looks to me like Pearcey or McMicken!
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23 - I agree with Sam, that this is George Taylor.
24 - Maybe Patrick Dillon?
25 - William White
26 -
27 -
28 - Franz Kaspar?
29 -
29 -
30 - Frank Port. No doubt.
31 - First I thought of Alfred Wite, but Isaac Maynard seems to be a good guess!
32 - Albert Fryer
33 -
34 - Robert Couper
35 -
36 - Maybe George Pelham?
37 - Wilfred Foley
38 - Leo Hyland
39 - Joseph Wheat
40 - I agree with Paul that this could be a crewmen with no known photo. I will work on his identity later. I already have some ideas. :)
 
My thoughts so far (I'll omit needless photographs):
1- Walter Fredericks is a good guess, I remember too someone else mentioned that.
2- He clearly is an AB, as he's wearing the White Star Line jersey, but I'm not sure who he is yet.
3-He seems to be another deck crew man too. I don't know yet who he might be, but I don't think he is Perkis.
4-
5- Henry Noss
6- Eustace Snow

7- Judging by his noticeable air of authority and general features, I'd confidently say he is Frederick Barrett
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8- This one is a bit confusing. I first thought he was Albert Hunt (23), but #21 has almost the same chance. What would make me belive it could be #8 is the skinnier build. Still it is not 100% sure.
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9- He certainly looks like Edward Self. I had some doubts at first as #9 looks a little bit older than what Self was by then (24).
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10- Reginald Lee

11- Samuel Collins
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12-

13- Not very sure about this one. He has a good resemblance to Alfred White (32), but still it's not convincing enough. I don't really think he is John Pearce though.
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14-

15- No available photo for him. Could he be James Avery (20)?
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16- Another one with no photo, or is there any? The only photographs for Charles Judd (31) show him at an older age, but there seems to be some matches in general, enough perhaps to point him out.
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17-
18- Edward Perry
19-

20- Paul's suggestion for Walter Hurst (23) is pretty good actually. My initial thought was on Walter Binstead (20), but I think Hurst definitely fits the bill.
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21- Albert Hunt is a good candidate, specially when considering he's standing next to his brother-in-law.
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22- Albert Hebb (22)
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23- George Taylor
24- Not sure yet, though I think he's not a steward.
25- William White

26- George Cavell: at first sight he may not look like any familiar stoker, but you can definitely tell he's very young, and short (he's standing one step above Robert Couper who is 5' 2½", but was him on the same level he would probably be at least half an inch shorter than Couper). A closer look at Cavell (5' 1" and 22 years old) should clear doubts.
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27- Probably Henry Sparkman (no photo available but 5' 1" and 36 years old).

28- I suggested before he could be Franz Kasper.

29- Frederick Sheath
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30- Frank Port
31-
32- Albert Fryer
33- George Godley
34- Robert Couper
35- I first thought he could be Edward Self, but discarded that. Let's see what can we elucidate.
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36-
37- Still under discussion
38- James Hyland
39- Joseph Wheat
40-
 
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