no, i would not want to visit the titanic as a tourist to me and to so many other people from around the world, the titanic is the final resting place of over 1,500 people. i personally feel that the titanic shouldnt be used as a tourist attraction. it is a grave, and should be respected as so i completely understand if people such as james cameron or robert ballard or other titanic experts would want to visit the ship for scientific reasons, as they have complete reverence of titanic and what happened the night titanic sank, but at the same time to use the titanic as a tourist attraction is totaly and utterly wrong, unless this was also for scientific reasons. i think of the descendents of those who survived the sinking I think of how these people would feel if they heard that as of 2019, oceangate and other companies like oceangate, are using the titanic as a tourist attraction, and those who survived would turn in their graves if they were alive today in summary, what i am saying is please let those who died that night rest in peace please have respect for the descendents of the people who survived that terrible night if i am wrong about this missing submersible being used for tourist reasons please let me know
 
Really hope this has a positive outcome. I'm trying to follow all news sources and keep a running update on reddit.com/r/rms_titanic.

Rory Golden posted this update on facebook:

I'm OK.

We are all focused on board here for our friends. Please do not ask for their names, as this is most insensitive. Please do not speculate. I have seen some comments already on social media that are highly inappropriate and insensitive.

I really want to thank everyone who has been trying to Message and WhatsApp me. We have a situation that is now the part of a major Search and Rescue effort, being undertaken by major agencies. That is where our focus is right now.

The reaction and offers of help globally is truly astonishing, and only goes to show the real goodness in people at a time like this. Our online and internet options are being restricted in order to keep bandwidth available for the co-ordinated effort that is taking place, so please bear that in mind too.

Information and updates will be released as and when relevant. Any media enquiries should be directed to Lisa Dreher: [email protected].
Thank you all, and think positive. We are.

Rory
 
Snippets of an interview with a woman who took the (missing) sub trip to the Titanic last July.
One woman tells Sheila Flynn how she finally ended up visiting the famed Titanic wreck at its underwater grave after a near lifelong obsession -- and what the surreal journey is actually like
Monday 12 September 2022
Renata Rojas had been obsessed with the Titanic for more than half of her life when she looked out the window of a submersible, 4,000 metres under the North Atlantic, and saw the doomed ship’s spectre appear hauntingly from the depths.
She thought she’d cry – but she was far too busy.
Ms Rojas, 50, was one of only five people on that submersible, part of the 2022 OceanGate Titanic Expedition to the wreck in July. Accompanied by a pilot and a research scientist, she and two other “mission specialists,” civilians who could pay a six-figure price for the trip, embarked upon the meticulously-planned, deep-sea exploration.
The daughter of a diving instructor growing up in Mexico, Ms Rojas had already developed a passion for the ocean and underwater exploration when she saw an old black-and-white movie about Titanic.
“At the end of that movie, you know, Titanic hasn’t been found; it’s disappeared completely,” she says. “And I was kind of drawn to the mystery of such a large ship disappearing and nobody knowing where it was – such a tragedy that shouldn’t have happened.”
Her father’s the one who pointed out she’d need a degree in oceanography, a PhD, and as such a young student she threw herself into preparation for that career. She did papers on Titanic, she applied early to Woods Hole and was accepted, she says.
Then the Titanic was found in 1985, right before she would have started studying there. Ms Rojas says she was discouraged by the attitudes of people in the industry and those involved in the ship’s discovery; she was told that, as a woman, she shouldn’t even bother pursuing that particular passion, she tells The Independent.
She’d go on to switch to banking and graduated from a university in New York...When OceanGate Expeditions began letting civilians participate in trips to the wreck, she worked every contact she had. Eventually, in July – after saving for most of her life, undergoing training and spending literal decades pursuing one goal – Ms Rojas found herself hurtling towards the ocean floor in July 2022 in a submersible called Titan.
On board with her was Dr Ross; pilot Scott Griffith; and two other “mission specialists,” one who made the journey last year as well.
“We were going down fast,” Ms Rojas tells The Independent. “Everything kind of flies [by] the window. But we were doing a little of the experiments – turning the lights off and turning the lights on to see how the life outside the sub would react. As you get closer to the bottom, the pilot starts needing help. They need to deploy some of the [equipment] to slow down the descent; you don’t want to be slamming into the bottom.”
. The expedition featured five missions, each over several days and several dives that could last up to ten hours each. Each of the dives included at least one scientist or content expert on each submersible to gather “archaeological and biological data” with the goal of understanding behaviour and rarity of life at such a depth while helping to predict the rate of decay of deeply submerged vessels, according to the OceanGate site.
One thing that really stood out to her was when the Titan crew spotted the ship’s famed telegraph (there has been varied and legal debate over salvaging the Marconi item, which sent distress calls before Titanic eventually sank. But it’s still there.)
“Certain items are legendary,” Ms Rojas says. “Anybody will ask me, ‘What is the most important thing you found?’ The telegraph. Oh, wow. It’s copper, it’s bright - like if somebody went to shine it yesterday ... no growth on it. The lights of the sub hit it first; we were actually, at some point, turning towards the bridge.
“We approached the wreck from the back of the bow, from the aft of the bow, at the break,” she tells The Independent. “There’s a lot of debris around it. So we decided to maybe go to the front of the bow, like fast, instead of trying to go through that debris or go backwards ... so we took 10 minutes literally to drive fast alongside the wreck and then make that U-turn to have the wreck in front of us and have that legendary picture of it coming out of the bow coming out of nowhere.”
It was, she says, just like the movies, watching that mystical bow appear from the depths except there was “no Titanic music in the background.”
 
A British billionaire explorer is feared to be on board the missing Titanic tourist submarine somewhere in the depths of the Atlantic Ocean. Hamish Harding is a seasoned explorer who boasts three Guinness World Records for his global escapades.
The father-of-two, who is also the chair of aviation sales and operations company Action Aviation, jetted into space in June 2022 on board Blue Origin’s fifth manned flight on the New Shepard rocket.
This came after a world record-breaking trip to the deepest oceanic trench on earth – the Mariana Trench, a trip to the South Pole with astronaut Buzz Aldrin and the trip which marked the fastest circumnavigation of the globe.
OceanGate Expeditions CEO Stockton Rush and renowned French underwater explorer Paul-Henri Nargeolet are also feared to be among those onboard, according to Sky News.
 
I have friends who have been involved with OceanGate for several years now and there is a possibility that I may have a friend on that sub. This is sufficiently sensitive that I posted this quick piece on my own Facebook page after posting the BBC article:

"On the matter of the missing OceanGate sub, all I can say right now is I’m not aware of anything as a fact beyond what’s been published. I’m reasonably certain that the rumors are going to be going out at warp speed.
There’s a possibility that some of us in the Titanic community have friends on the sub, which would make it personal. In that vein, PLEASE do not believe anything unless you see or hear it FOR YOURSELF from a source of known reliability."


In sum don't channel the "Titanic Being Towed To Halifax, All Aboard Safe" thing. Passing along rumors and speculation confused by the headlines for fact is not going to help matters.
 
I am very sorry to hear about this. I am offering my prayers for the well-being of those who were aboard this sub and that they will be found alive and that a positive outcome will come from this.

This is not the time to offer any personal comments on the value of diving on the wreck when there are lives to be concerned about. I will say nothing else until a much more appropriate time.
 
Eric Paddon is still here after all these years, should be interesting if Robert Ballard speaks. Hope he got together with PH Nargeolet when they were together but separate with James Cameron and patched up their feud. Saw a documentary a few years ago with Jean-Louis-Michel, still nice as ever.

This is just devastating news. Michael Harris from the 2000 booze cruise was on television today that threw trash on the wreck and was kicked out of RMST before George Tulloch passed away.

All of these people on television are talking about fishing nets after only 1:45 when the sub would not have reached the bottom, and they dove without a backup sub in 2023?

Odd reading they could not communicate with the surface and turned off internet last year. I know Ralph Hollis, Ballard and all those documentaries with Mir's and Nautile could talk to the surface directly.

There is likely no human on this planet with more time going down there then Nargeolet, and no way they reach the bottom without checking in if things were still ok so can't see it tangled on wreckage. I just hope it's on the surface somewhere, and the air continued to work.

Sadly this is now a world-wide story.
 
I'm afraid there were severe shortcomings in the running of these expeditions which should have thrown up a red light. It's not the first time this sub has had problems, and similar type of subs have been plagued with technical problems, go to 3:05 into this video.

This link describes the disclaimer the 'passengers' have to sign and provides some details of the design and operation of the submersible. Bear in mind the passengers pay >=$250,000 each for this.

There's something haunting about this incident given the history of the wreck. Let's hope they are recovered safely.
 
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I'm afraid there were severe shortcomings in the running of these expeditions which should have thrown up a red light. It's not the first time this sub has had problems, and similar type of subs have been plagued with technical problems, go to 3:05 into this video.

This link describes the disclaimer the 'passengers' have to sign and provides some details of the design and operation of the submersible. Bear in mind the passengers pay >=$250,000 each for this.

There's something haunting about this incident given the history of the wreck. Let's hope they are recovered safely.
Since day one in 1986 these subs have had problems whether it be Alvin, Nautile. Mir's. What is disturbing was all those subs had the ability to speak with the surface while they made these larger 5 person sub with only text ability, and no way to track it?

Nargeolet was piloting this sub, the most experienced in the world so they did not get a novice or cut corners and the companies top people and owner are in this sub.

As for 6:30am Tuesday EST, nothing since Sunday morning. It's not like this thing drives around miles under the ocean, it's towed out and dropped straight down with weight and free falls down so it has to be in that general area unless it was blasted back up by releasing it's sphere which was never attempted and it surfaced further away but can't be that far.

And even if it's air works and it's sitting on the bottom with no power they did not bring a back up sub.
 
I'm afraid there were severe shortcomings in the running of these expeditions which should have thrown up a red light. It's not the first time this sub has had problems, and similar type of subs have been plagued with technical problems, go to 3:05 into this video.

This link describes the disclaimer the 'passengers' have to sign and provides some details of the design and operation of the submersible. Bear in mind the passengers pay >=$250,000 each for this.

There's something haunting about this incident given the history of the wreck. Let's hope they are recovered safely.
Wasn't a dive postponed in 2019 due to problems with the sub?
 
From the BBC:
  • Five people are on board, including British explorer Hamish Harding, British-Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his son. Also the CEO of the submersible's company Stockton Rush and French explorer Paul-Henry Nargeolet

    From me:
    Please keep praying.
 
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