Samuel Halpern
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"A close shave" is how Fleet described the allision with the iceberg. I guess "a near miss" would also describe what happened the night of Apr 14.
Factors That Could Have Prevented Sinking
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Michael Cundiff
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Samuel..."A close shave" on her starboard side, now double bottom contact as felt by Eva Hart was something else.
Michael...Exactly, steer a more southerly course, with information in hand, just as Commadore Warwick, with his QE-1, would undertake (50 miles south) OF TITANIC's foundering coordinates...upon iceberg report.
Michael Cundiff
NV, USA
Michael...Exactly, steer a more southerly course, with information in hand, just as Commadore Warwick, with his QE-1, would undertake (50 miles south) OF TITANIC's foundering coordinates...upon iceberg report.
Michael Cundiff
NV, USA
Michael Cundiff
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POSTSCRIPT: Thanks Jason for the 4' confirmation. I remember reading that the
Harbeck film may have survived, owing to it's *silver nitrate* make-up. However surely entombed in TITANIC's wreck.
Michael Cundiff
NV, USA
Harbeck film may have survived, owing to it's *silver nitrate* make-up. However surely entombed in TITANIC's wreck.
Michael Cundiff
NV, USA
You're welcome, Michael.
Will C. White
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What fails in motion picture film of the type that Harbeck would have used would be the cellulose nitrate base stock, and even if perfectly sealed, protected, and kept in ideal temperture (yeah-2 1/2 down would be plenty cold enough), the degradation process can sometimes be....explosive. It would be marvelous and historically very significant to have the film, and while it is possible that it survives, it is highly unlikely, and then there's the recovery problem. Woundn't it have been wonderful if he'd chucked those cans into a boat, even if there was no room for him? WILL
>>Only the quick actions of, an experienced, Capt. E.J. Smith averted the collison<<
This action may have saved Titanic but it also doomed Titanic.
If Smith let this mishap happend,Titanic would have been tied up at the dry dock being repaired and her voyage would have been a month later,therefore thee iceberg would have floated away past the disarter point before Titanic resumed her voyage.
One disarter could have saved Titanic from a major disarter!
This action may have saved Titanic but it also doomed Titanic.
If Smith let this mishap happend,Titanic would have been tied up at the dry dock being repaired and her voyage would have been a month later,therefore thee iceberg would have floated away past the disarter point before Titanic resumed her voyage.
One disarter could have saved Titanic from a major disarter!
Jeff Brebner
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How much difference might it have made to just slow down a little? You have ice warnings in hand. You can look out the window and have an idea of how hard it might be to see ice. If you slow down to 15-16 knots, how much better a chance would the lookouts have had? Would the ship have been able to turn quicker? Would the damage have been less?
Michael H. Standart
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>>If you slow down to 15-16 knots, how much better a chance would the lookouts have had?<<
It would have bought them some time.
>>Would the ship have been able to turn quicker?<<
Not necesserily. The slower the ship goes, the less effective the rudder is.
>>Would the damage have been less?<<
Depending on how she interacted with the iceberg, if at all, probably yes.
It would have bought them some time.
>>Would the ship have been able to turn quicker?<<
Not necesserily. The slower the ship goes, the less effective the rudder is.
>>Would the damage have been less?<<
Depending on how she interacted with the iceberg, if at all, probably yes.
Richard Stover
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Would of...Could of...Should of...Any little circumstance of fate could have theoretically prevented the sinking, but everything came together that night in that 1 in a million chance that causes most disasters.
One knot slower or faster than Titanic was going and they could have avoided the "Near Miss". Or like was posted before, a slight collision with the New York could have held her up preventing the disaster. Or anything really once you think about it.
To put it bluntly, Titanic was in the wrong place at the right time...
One knot slower or faster than Titanic was going and they could have avoided the "Near Miss". Or like was posted before, a slight collision with the New York could have held her up preventing the disaster. Or anything really once you think about it.
To put it bluntly, Titanic was in the wrong place at the right time...
Jeff Brebner
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Obviously this is a strictly hypothetical discussion. I was merely trying to come up with one that would have a) been a reasonable thing to do, and b) wouldn't have required knowledge of the future to inspire someone to do it.
Robert T. Paige
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There was one of my posts on a question of whether White Star might have had any Damage Control Specialists on board their ships.
On second thought, this sort of falls into of those "Duh !" or "Elementary, my dear Watson!" categories. The LOL's on me. Sorry bout that,mates !
"Common Knowledge" fact was that White Star could not have afforded to have all the specialty ratings as in the military.
See below for what I mean.
On second thought, this sort of falls into of those "Duh !" or "Elementary, my dear Watson!" categories. The LOL's on me. Sorry bout that,mates !
"Common Knowledge" fact was that White Star could not have afforded to have all the specialty ratings as in the military.
See below for what I mean.
Robert T. Paige
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Just as aside on the above, even it's a bit off subject.
One classroom session during my experiences in Boot Camp was a review of all the specialty ratings.
I remember "FP" or "Pipe Fitter" in particular.
The "FP" was "Fitter, Pipe"...otherwise a Chief Pipe Fitter would have been a PFC, which of course is a Private First Class in the Marines.
My "crutch" to remember this was that I called them "Fipe Pitters". Just a bit of levity if anyone wants to take a break from the more serious stuff on this learned discussion. LOL.
"You may take her to sea, Mr. Murdoch ."
One classroom session during my experiences in Boot Camp was a review of all the specialty ratings.
I remember "FP" or "Pipe Fitter" in particular.
The "FP" was "Fitter, Pipe"...otherwise a Chief Pipe Fitter would have been a PFC, which of course is a Private First Class in the Marines.
My "crutch" to remember this was that I called them "Fipe Pitters". Just a bit of levity if anyone wants to take a break from the more serious stuff on this learned discussion. LOL.
"You may take her to sea, Mr. Murdoch ."
Robert T. Paige
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My quote:
>>Common Knowledge" fact was that White Star could not have afforded to have all the specialty ratings as in the military.<<
Would there have been more specialized workmen in different categories... in the repair shops at Harland and Wolfe for example ?
>>Common Knowledge" fact was that White Star could not have afforded to have all the specialty ratings as in the military.<<
Would there have been more specialized workmen in different categories... in the repair shops at Harland and Wolfe for example ?
Michael H. Standart
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>>wouldn't have required knowledge of the future to inspire someone to do it.<<
And that's where staying out of the icefield comes in. They had the information, and everybody from the wireless operators up to the skipper were aware of it. Contrary to the whole mythos, they weren't going in blind.
>>"Common Knowledge" fact was that White Star could not have afforded to have all the specialty ratings as in the military.<<
And even if they had, they didn't have the body of experience or benefit of the lessons which came from two world wars.
And that's where staying out of the icefield comes in. They had the information, and everybody from the wireless operators up to the skipper were aware of it. Contrary to the whole mythos, they weren't going in blind.
>>"Common Knowledge" fact was that White Star could not have afforded to have all the specialty ratings as in the military.<<
And even if they had, they didn't have the body of experience or benefit of the lessons which came from two world wars.
Robert T. Paige
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>>And even if they had, they didn't have the body of experience or benefit of the lessons which came from two world wars.<<
And in all fairness to Jean Negulesco and James Cameron....Jean Negulesco didn't have "the body of experience or benefit of the lessons which came from" the book and movie of ANTR that James Cameron did
And in all fairness to Jean Negulesco and James Cameron....Jean Negulesco didn't have "the body of experience or benefit of the lessons which came from" the book and movie of ANTR that James Cameron did
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