What if Titanic had been full to capacity

Look at the bookings on Olympic which sailed to NY the week before Titanic departed. The coal strike was officially in effect from Feb 26 and was not officially over until Apr 6, four days before Titanic departed Southampton. Its affect would have equally impacted Olympic's bookings if it were a significant factor.

As an aside, despite what had been written by others, Titanic was not short of coal on her maiden voyage. Her main coal bunkers were filled to 89% capacity, more than enough to get to NY at full service speed with 2 days to spare.
 
Coal in Titanic's bunkers has nothing to do with empty beds in its cabins.

I ask the question out of curiosity. There seems something out of whack when a ship in service has empty accommodations while a significant number of other ships are laid up. The answer could be as simple as that the industry had over-built the number of ships for the normal April traffic. Did Nostradamus predict something? I really don't know. But, I find the emptiness of Titanic curious under the circumstances.

--David G. Brown
 
For what it's worth: after reading Jim Kalafus' on-board account of the maiden voyage of the Queen Mary 2 (posted on ET), there's no way you could convince me to travel on a ship until the crew had settled into a routine and any initial teething pains in the ship's machinery had been resolved.

I wonder if maiden voyages had a similarly bad rap back in 1912?

--Jim
 
Good question Jim. As I stated in a earlier post. I used to be a Deckhand and we changed boats we had a whole bunch of kinks to iron out. This with a crew that worked together before on the old boat. I'm certain they had the same issues in 1912.
 
Could Fare Rates have been a factor?
In The Irish Aboard Titanic, Appendix 3, Senan Molony wrote: "....... Cheaper passage could however be had by waiting until the following day to board the Celtic, which left Ireland with more than 400 steerage passengers, compared to Titanic's 113."
 
Good question Lester.

I myself would of waited to take the Celtic. Cheaper passage is money saved.
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How fast though was the Celtic compared to the Titanic though? Speed might of been a factor.
 
David.

My reference to coal on board was an aside since the coal strike was mentioned. I agree, it had nothing to do with empty bunks.

As a point of reference, Olympic carried on her maiden voyage in June 1911 the following numbers:
(taken from a NY Times report 6/21/1911)
489 first-class passengers,
263 second-class,
and 564 third-class.
The crew numbered 850.
Total 1316 passengers and 850 crew.

The Titanic carried on her maiden voyage in April 1912 the following numbers:
(taken from the BI Report into the loss of the SS Titanic)
325 first-class passengers,
285 second-class,
and 706 third-class.
The crew numbers 885.
Total 1316 passengers and 885 crew.

Note, 1316 total listed as passengers on both maiden voyages. Hmmm.
 
>>I wonder if maiden voyages had a similarly bad rap back in 1912? <<

Ask anyone who had traveled on the Imperator. That trip by all accounts I've read, was just plain dreadful. If I recall correctly, both the Lusitania and the Mauritania's maiden voyages were hardly problem free. In fairness though, none of these ships did anything really embarrassing...like sink...the first time out.

If you have a copy of John Maxtone-Graham's "The Only Way To Cross" you'll see that the subject is dealt with there. For first time travelers, being on a maidem voyage was seen as good for bragging rights, but the experienced traveler saw them as something best avoided.
 
Looking at the numbers has given me a couple of thoughts. First, we should be comparing the number of people aboard Titanic against a weighted mean number of people carried by Olympic over its WSL career, seasonality included. I would suspect there is a large difference between "full" in terms of maximum number of people and "full" in terms of the mean number of passengers.

It is always good to have more legal capacity than the most operationally efficient number of passengers. A small example (literally) was an inter-island ferry that I served in. We found that 110 people maximized the total profits from tickets and the bar. Yet, we were allowed to carry 149 passengers legally. The excess capacity meant we did not have to turn down a few extra people on any given trip. But, we did work to keep the number to that "magic" 110 people.

It would not surprise me that WSL had a similar "magic" number that was somewhat below Olympic's legal capacity. Unless there is some obscure reference to such a thing (doubtful), however, we can only impute it by statistical analysis of Olympic's runs. Only then can we say whether Titanic was running too full or too empty.

-- David G. Brown
 
>>Only then can we say whether Titanic was running too full or too empty.<<

In relation to what if I may? If it's the averages, it would appear that Titanic's bookings were much the same as the Olympics for her first time out. Both ships were undersold. If anything, the Titanic might have had more people aboard then could be expected otherwise. People booked aboard her because there was little else available, but the numbers weren't higher overall because travel to Great Britain was down because of the strike. Absent that, and the ship would likely have had even fewer bookings.
 
This appears to be an interesting discussion.

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First, we should be comparing the number of people aboard Titanic against a weighted mean number of people carried by Olympic over its WSL career, seasonality included.

Agreed, but unfortunately that’s not really possible. Given the post-war pattern of passenger traffic, comparisons with Olympic’s post-war service are not very revealing. The only useful comparisons are between Olympic and her peers in the 1920s. Similarly, due to Olympic’s back luck in her early years in service there is not a single ‘full’ year prior to the war when we can assess her on a like-for-like basis. As I posted on another forum once:

In 1911, Olympic missed the height of the season due to the Hawke collision, and was only in service from June anyway; 1912 figures are distorted by her cancelled voyage, Titanic's loss, low passenger lists, and her early withdrawal for a refit; in 1913, she only sailed from April onwards and not the full year; and in 1914 she sailed until August in peacetime but then the passenger figures got distorted enormously for her few post-August commercial voyages.

In terms of maiden voyage passenger lists, I understand Lusitania was fairly full — as you would expect for a September crossing. However, aside from Olympic and Titanic, the German Vaterland was not particularly full in summer 1914, nor was Cunard’s Aquitania with 1,055 passengers. Where Olympic shone was the return, eastbound, crossing where she carried over 2,300 passengers and set a record for first class. In turn, by April 14th 1912 there were over six hundred first class bookings for Titanic’s return trip, so she was presumably well on her way to carrying an impressive number of passengers back from New York.

In 1911, Olympic was slightly more popular than Lusitania and Mauretania on an average passenger list basis. However, the phrase ‘apples and oranges’ comes to mind. The Southampton traffic was not the same as Liverpool’s. While the Cunarders were in service the entire year, Olympic missed the first half of the year and missed several crossings where high passenger lists were expected. For instance, some 2,100-2,200 passengers were booked for her fifth, cancelled crossing. Passenger traffic had enjoyed a very good year in 1907, before a sluggish recovery. In 1911, White Star’s Southampton traffic was below that of 1910 and 1909, and it did not recover in 1912. In general terms, it seems an average passenger list of 1,300-1,400 for an express liner of the period was the sort of performance expected. In spite of the difficulties, Olympic averaged marginally under 1,500 passengers in 1911. It is my belief that, if she had carried the anticipated number of passengers and completed her missed voyages, she would have averaged more like 1,700 passengers.

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I would suspect there is a large difference between "full" in terms of maximum number of people and "full" in terms of the mean number of passengers.

Absolutely. Lusitania, Mauretania and Olympic were somewhat over half full in 1911-14, on average, and despite having capacity for an additional 1,000 passengers above that figure (on average). In general, I get the impression that there was always excess capacity in that business.

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It would not surprise me that WSL had a similar "magic" number that was somewhat below Olympic's legal capacity. Unless there is some obscure reference to such a thing (doubtful), however, we can only impute it by statistical analysis of Olympic's runs. Only then can we say whether Titanic was running too full or too empty.

I have not seen any such figure documented. However, there is no question that she could be far from full and still be very profitable. In the mid to late 1920s, after competition had intensified and immigration restrictions brought to bear, Mauretania, Olympic and Aquitania regularly dipped below 1,000 passengers. (The number is less important than the composition of the passenger lists, because the decline was largely in third class, and it was first and second class that brought in the revenues.) Majestic, despite being the most popular liner in 1923, 1924, 1926 and 1928, regularly sailed around half full; that at a charitable estimate, for it excludes her large pre-war immigrant capacity.

So, to answer the question…in my view, Titanic’s maiden voyage passenger list was about what would be expected at the time. It was nothing unusual — similar to Olympic’s figure, and above Aquitania’s. It was a little below what express liners such as Lusitania and Mauretania were averaging (with my previous caveat about their Liverpool service). It seems Olympic’s departure the week before had been unusually good, with over 2,000 passengers, and there were only so many passengers around.

Best wishes,

Mark.​
 
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